US war has killed 39,000 Iraqis

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Report: US war has killed 39,000 Iraqis

Monday 11 July 2005, 23:31 Makka Time, 20:31 GMT


Some 39,000 Iraqis have been killed as a direct result of combat or armed violence since the US-led invasion in 2003, a figure considerably higher than previous estimates, according to a Swiss institute report.

The public database, Iraqi Body Count, by comparison, estimates that between 22,787 and 25,814 Iraqi civilians have died since the March 2003 invasion, based on reports from at least two media sources.

No official estimates of Iraqi casualties from the war have been issued, although military deaths from the US-led forces are closely tracked and now total 1937.

The new estimate was compiled by the Geneva-based Graduate Institute of International Studies and published in its latest annual small arms survey, released at a UN news conference on Monday.


Under-reported deaths

It builds on a study published in The Lancet, a British medical journal, last October, which concluded that there had been 100,000 "excess deaths" in Iraq from all causes since March 2003. That figure was derived by conducting surveys of Iraqi mortality data during the war and comparing the results to similar data collected before the war.

Britain's government had rejected The Lancet's conclusions shortly after their publication.

The Swiss institute said it arrived at its estimate of Iraqi deaths resulting solely from either combat or armed violence by re-examining the raw data gathered for the Lancet study and classifying the cause of death when it could.

Its 2005 small arms survey generally concludes that conflict deaths from small arms have been vastly under-reported in the past, not just in Iraq but around the globe.

The total number of direct victims of such weapons likely totalled 80,000 to 108,000 during 2003, for example, compared to earlier estimates by other researchers of 27,000 to 51,000 deaths from small arms that year.


Inaccurate

The undercounting is due mainly to a paucity of hard data and an over-reliance by analysts on estimates based on government and media accounts of wars, "which are often inaccurate," according to the 2005 survey.

The number of indirect deaths around the world that can be blamed on small arms has also been underestimated, as these types of weapons typically trigger significant social disruption that leads to malnutrition, starvation, and death from preventable disease, according to the survey.

Depending on the nature of the conflict, small arms cause between 60% and 90% of all direct war deaths, the study said.

Following a formula developed at the United Nations, the small arms survey covers a broad range of hand-held arms, ranging from pistols and rifles to military-style machine guns, small mortars and portable anti-tank systems.


Small arms

The small arms survey covered a
broad range of hand-held arms

The survey's release coincided with the opening of a weeklong UN conference intended to assess progress on a UN action plan for cracking down on the illicit global trade in small arms, adopted in 2001.

While worldwide public attention is riveted on the devastating potential of biological, chemical and nuclear weapons, small arms typically carried by a single individual "are the real weapons of mass destruction," said Ambassador Pasi Patokallio of Finland, the conference's chairman.

Heavy concentrations of small arms in a region are often enough to fuel a conflict, the small arms survey said.

In the tense Middle East, for example, private gun ownership is widespread and on the rise, and "representatives of several governments have expressed concern that gun violence is becoming a major threat to public safety and a source of regional instability," the survey reported.

It estimated that 45 million to 90 million small arms were in the hands of civilians across that region.

http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/2F30761C-C428-4176-967B-60862E665E46.htm

far more dead than 2,752 people in 9/11 don't you think?
 

S O F I

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That's civilians, right? Counting the terrorists and the resistance forces and such, it probably exceeds 100,000.
 

Mr.Deuce

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i´m not a racist but if i was bush i would drop a an a-bomb on them muthafuckaz.they are no humans for me.cuttin´somebody´s head off wit a pocket knife and sayin "allah akbar" ,doin´dat type o´horror-shit,bein´mentally ill and sayin ya do it in tha name of god?fuck em
they got what they deserved.children have nothin´ta do with it so i feel sry for children.but all tha others.fuck em.i hope they all burn in hell.
 
#6
Deuce 7 Tha Psycho said:
i´m not a racist but if i was bush i would drop a an a-bomb on them muthafuckaz.they are no humans for me.cuttin´somebody´s head off wit a pocket knife and sayin "allah akbar" ,doin´dat type o´horror-shit,bein´mentally ill and sayin ya do it in tha name of god?fuck em
they got what they deserved.children have nothin´ta do with it so i feel sry for children.but all tha others.fuck em.i hope they all burn in hell.

I really question the mentality of the posters in WOW sometimes.

What kinda argument is that? I can't even bother to debate it with you cuz I doubt you'll be open-minded enough to even consider how ridiculous what you just said was, but by your logic you would agree that all the German citizens during WWII were just as guilty as Hitler and should all have been killed in a gas chamber?
 
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Deuce 7 Tha Psycho said:
i´m not a racist but if i was bush i would drop a an a-bomb on them muthafuckaz.they are no humans for me.cuttin´somebody´s head off wit a pocket knife and sayin "allah akbar" ,doin´dat type o´horror-shit,bein´mentally ill and sayin ya do it in tha name of god?fuck em
they got what they deserved.children have nothin´ta do with it so i feel sry for children.but all tha others.fuck em.i hope they all burn in hell.
you are a psycho.

Only the terrorists in Al-Qaeda are doing these bombings, not the innocent citizens in the regions.
 

The.Menace

Well-Known Member
Staff member
#8
Deuce 7 Tha Psycho said:
i´m not a racist but if i was bush i would drop a an a-bomb on them muthafuckaz.they are no humans for me.cuttin´somebody´s head off wit a pocket knife and sayin "allah akbar" ,doin´dat type o´horror-shit,bein´mentally ill and sayin ya do it in tha name of god?fuck em
they got what they deserved.children have nothin´ta do with it so i feel sry for children.but all tha others.fuck em.i hope they all burn in hell.
brainfucked :thumb:
 
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Deuce 7 Tha Psycho said:
i´m not a racist but if i was bush i would drop a an a-bomb on them muthafuckaz.they are no humans for me.cuttin´somebody´s head off wit a pocket knife and sayin "allah akbar" ,doin´dat type o´horror-shit,bein´mentally ill and sayin ya do it in tha name of god?fuck em
they got what they deserved.children have nothin´ta do with it so i feel sry for children.but all tha others.fuck em.i hope they all burn in hell.

wow what a pathetic contribution to an otherwise important topic

you make george bush look like he has half a brain
 

Mr.Deuce

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every iraqi citizen can turn to you as a psychopathic-blood-spillin-head-cutter ya na mean?i don´t hate muslims,i don´t hate no nation but i´m gettin´lil bit racistish when i see what they are doing.it´s in their blood to cut someone´s head-off.it´s like we have a christmas tree (as tradition) they have cuttin enemies heads off (as a tradition).sickness pure.evil.psycho mufuckaz.i don´t say nuthin´bout children and old people but all these "allah akbar"-mufuckaz must die.don´t tell me that only Al-qaida is able to kill americans or non-muslim people.BULLSHIT.they are against us(i´m not american but i´ma christ).mufuckaz out there (muslims,18,19 yrs old) say they would die too as suicid-bombers if they wouldn´t worry about their parents.they all fanatics.the measure of them.not all but 40%.
hitler vs. citizens-i live in germany and evrybody´s talkin´tha same stuff:"they didn´t knew what they were doing..it was hitler" fuck em.evrybody.i see mufuckin skinheads on tha streetz evrytime i walk.evrybody who supports hitler must be burnt in hell.i know some mufuckas still screamin´"heil hitler" but we have no problems with each other becuz they don´t fuck wit me.plus dom´t know tha history.they joined the "gang" and wear all these type of clothings becuz they are nothing in real life and through all that "i´m a nazi" shit they (think) become to something.i know them.i drank a lot with them and 98% of them say:"we ain´t against people who aren´t german,we are against people who aren´t german and do all the crime and use our land as a money-source.our families work hard for that.but they take it away.".these guys are followers.wannabe´s.na mean?they ain´t real nazis.but there are real nazis too.Fuck em.
back 2 iraqis.i don´t feel sorry for them.for them who supports( even in his heart and mind) al-quida and war against christians.evry citizen who thinks he has to islamize the world.
PEACE.
 

Chronic

Well-Known Member
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Deuce 7 Tha Psycho said:
i´m not a racist but if i was bush i would drop a an a-bomb on them muthafuckaz.they are no humans for me.cuttin´somebody´s head off wit a pocket knife and sayin "allah akbar" ,doin´dat type o´horror-shit,bein´mentally ill and sayin ya do it in tha name of god?fuck em
they got what they deserved.children have nothin´ta do with it so i feel sry for children.but all tha others.fuck em.i hope they all burn in hell.
Yes because the people that did that represent the entire population :thumb:
Idiot. Now go make a thread asking if Iraqis are psychoz fo´ cuttin´ peoplez headz off ´n shit.
 

Mr.Deuce

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#14
""and if it the disbelieving ones (Christians and all not Muslim) meet, then down with the head, until a blood among them arranged it; then tie the gang ""
nice.that´s quran.
 

Glockmatic

Well-Known Member
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Deuce 7 Tha Psycho said:
i´m not a racist but if i was bush i would drop a an a-bomb on them muthafuckaz.they are no humans for me.cuttin´somebody´s head off wit a pocket knife and sayin "allah akbar" ,doin´dat type o´horror-shit,bein´mentally ill and sayin ya do it in tha name of god?fuck em
they got what they deserved.children have nothin´ta do with it so i feel sry for children.but all tha others.fuck em.i hope they all burn in hell.
please, stop typing
 
#16
Deuce 7 Tha Psycho said:
i´m not a racist but if i was bush i would drop a an a-bomb on them muthafuckaz.they are no humans for me.cuttin´somebody´s head off wit a pocket knife and sayin "allah akbar" ,doin´dat type o´horror-shit,bein´mentally ill and sayin ya do it in tha name of god?fuck em
they got what they deserved.children have nothin´ta do with it so i feel sry for children.but all tha others.fuck em.i hope they all burn in hell.
you and others that think like you are a bigger problem then the people you wish ill.
 

Mr.Deuce

Mr.Deuce Wigalow: Male E-Gigolo
#17
whats the problem with my post(s)?
i don´t get it.i didn´t say i´m a racist, i didn´t say i hate moslems, i didn´t say i hate another nations, another religions.so wtf?
 
#19
Deuce 7 Tha Psycho said:
whats the problem with my post(s)?
i don´t get it.i didn´t say i´m a racist, i didn´t say i hate moslems, i didn´t say i hate another nations, another religions.so wtf?
Saying you are not racist dose not make it a fact!

I could say I am a Doctor but that dose not make it so!
 

ARon

Well-Known Member
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Don't try to compare this to the death toll in 9/11. This is a war, casualties will happen. I mean what do you expect, their bullets don't kill? The way i see it, it is like 2 boxers goin at each other, well its like Young Mike going at Erkel, and one is landing a lot more punches. Justified or not one side is still winning a war.
The innocent ones being killed is a tragedy, but do you really think each soldier goes up to a man that appears to be hostile and asks him if he has any intentions to harm him?
The reasons for us being over their may not be totally correct and it does look wrong to the eyes of many. But please understand human beings are still over there trying to survive. They are trying to survive and come home, so are Iraqis, but you know how it works, one side always wins. It's not like they go over there wanting to kill, it's not like every American has George Bush in him. And if by killing your enemy means surviving then that is what your gonna do, and if by accident you shoot an innocent man then they have to cope with that, it is war, and survival is the key.
 

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