UN Reform

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Annan Drafts Changes For U.N.
Use of Force, Terrorism Among Issues Targeted


By Colum Lynch
Washington Post Staff Writer
Sunday, March 20, 2005; Page A01

UNITED NATIONS, March 19 -- Secretary General Kofi Annan on Monday will propose establishing new rules for the use of military force, adopting a tough anti-terrorism treaty that would punish suicide bombers, and overhauling the United Nation's discredited human rights commission, according to a confidential draft of a report on U.N. reform.

The 63-page draft report represents Annan's most ambitious effort to restore international confidence in an organization that has been traumatized by divisions over the Iraq war and battered by revelations of financial impropriety and sexual misconduct by its personnel. But he faces an uphill battle to secure backing for some of his more controversial proposals from key members, including the United States, which opposes Annan's advocacy of the International Criminal Court.




Annan said his proposal provides a unique opportunity to update the 60-year-old organization to address today's most serious challenges. And he said promoting it would be one of his "highest priorities" in the run-up to a September summit at the opening of the General Assembly session.

"These are reforms that are within reach," Annan wrote. "If we act boldly -- and if we act together -- we can make people everywhere more secure, more prosperous, and better able to enjoy their fundamental rights." he wrote.

Annan's report, titled "In Larger Freedom: Towards Development, Security, and Human Rights For All," calls for expanding the 15-nation Security Council before year's end to ensure more democratic representation on the United Nations' most powerful institution. Its findings were first reported in today's Los Angeles Times.

"A change in the council's commission is needed to make it more broadly representative of the international community as a whole," Annan wrote.

While Annan said he would leave it to governments to determine the structure of an enlarged council, he backed efforts by India, Brazil, Germany and Japan, which are seeking permanent Security Council seats, to ensure that an agreement cannot be blocked by a single member that opposes their candidacies.

"It would be far preferable for member states to take this vital decision by consensus," Annan wrote. "But if they are unable to reach consensus, this must not be an excuse for postponing action."

Two proposals are under consideration by states that would increase the membership from 15 to 24.

Annan cast his report as an attempt to reconcile the security interests of wealthy countries, which want the world body to focus on combating terrorism and stemming weapons proliferation, and poor nations, which are more concerned with the consequences of poverty and disease. He noted that a catastrophic terrorist act in a major Western city could cripple the economies of poor nations on the other side of the world while an outbreak of disease in a poor region could spread to the developed world.

"The rich are vulnerable to the threats that attack the poor, and the strong are vulnerable to the threats that accost the poor," he wrote. "Whatever threatens one threatens all."

Annan said that wealthy countries must dramatically increase development aid and debt relief to poor countries that govern responsibly. He also pressed poorer countries to combat corruption aggressively and to promote private-sector investment. "In an era of global abundance, our world has the resources to reduce dramatically the massive divides that persist between rich and poor."

The contentious international debate that preceded the Iraq war led to "declining public confidence in the United Nations" by supporters of the war, who believed the organization had failed to enforce its own resolutions, and opponents, who faulted it for failing to stop the war.

Annan urged that the Security Council forge agreement on "when and how force can be used." He proposed that it adopt a resolution setting out principles -- including a determination whether the military option is proportional to the threat -- that would guide it in making the decision whether to go to war.

U.N. officials said they expected stiff resistance to the proposal from the Bush administration, which has reserved the right to use force unilaterally for national security interests.

But they say that Washington appreciates Annan's support in the report for the Bush administration's Proliferation Security Initiative, which was established to halt illicit trafficking of nuclear, chemical and biological weapons. The United States is also amenable to Annan's call for an anti-terrorism convention that would define terrorism as any act that is "intended to cause death or serious bodily harm to civilians or noncombatants" to intimidate a community, government or international organization. Annan wants such a convention to complete its work next year.

Richard Grenell, a spokesman for the U.S. Mission to the United Nations, declined to discuss specifics, saying, "We are looking at the report, and we will give it every consideration."

Efforts to adopt an anti-terrorism convention have been stymied by Arab governments, which have resisted labeling anti-Israeli militants, including Islamic Jihad and the al-Aqsa Martyr's Brigade, that have targeted civilians as terrorists.

Annan also called for strengthening the office of the U.N. High Commissioner for Human Rights. But he said that the Commission on Human Rights, which has recently included countries such as Sudan, Cuba and Libya with histories of rights violations, has "been increasingly undermined by its declining credibility and professionalism." He said that some states have sought membership on the commission "not to strengthen human rights, but to protect themselves against criticism, or to criticize others." In its place, Annan proposed creating a smaller Human Rights Council, whose members would be appointed by the General Assembly. But he said the members "should undertake to abide by the highest human rights standards."
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A50149-2005Mar19.html

I'm all for reform and strengthening, without it the UN is likely to suffer from further undermining of it's authority as a legitimate source with which to engage when conducting international affairs.
 

The.Menace

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The only thing that the UN lacks is respect. How could the UN work if countries like the USA are just not going that way?
 
#3
The.Menace said:
The only thing that the UN lacks is respect. How could the UN work if countries like the USA are just not going that way?
Well the existence of the UN relies upon recognition and respect for its authority. There is no international law or international co-operation if states are not willing to be bound by it or adhere to SC resolutions. Basically if the world's one remaining superpower keeps on pursuing its unilateral agenda, the UN will become increasingly redundant. That is why we need reform, to reinvigorate and reiterate the importance of international organisation and structure as the best method in achieving a secure and peaceful international system.
 
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The.Menace said:
I agree. But a reform won't be able to help if some countries (the world remainin superpower) doesn't support it!!!
The US does support the UN to a certain degree, I mean, they are providing something like 50 percent of the UN budget (I'm not certain of that btw, lol, but they are an important source) and they play a dynamic role in the SC (some might say too dynamic), but I guess what people like Annan are trying to draw out of reform is a renewed acknowledgement from the US that is does support the authority of the UN. Strengthen states' committment, thus giving them an incentive and desire to utilise and respect this authority. Once again, it may only be a case of talking the talk but not walking the walk, but what other choice is there...you either have to seek compliance or accept dissipation of one of the greatest organisational entities.
 

The.Menace

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The US supports the UN as long as the UN goes there way, whenever they disagree with the UN they don't care. I don't apprechiate those actions.
 
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America have done a lot to harm the UN with its shit talking, but one does have to recognise that the UN does do an awfull lot of talking and little action - Look at Sudan; they talk talk talk, send a few thousand troops and the government of a very weak nation still thinks he can slaughter thousands of people in front of UN sponsord troops...for fuck sake! - The UN has to ingage in some of the most serious conflicts otherwise it is open to attacks from America, which means America can put a air of legitamecy on thier fucking stupid wars by sighting the inability of the UN to do anything.
peace
MX!
 
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MX Red said:
America have done a lot to harm the UN with its shit talking, but one does have to recognise that the UN does do an awfull lot of talking and little action - Look at Sudan; they talk talk talk, send a few thousand troops and the government of a very weak nation still thinks he can slaughter thousands of people in front of UN sponsord troops...for fuck sake! - The UN has to ingage in some of the most serious conflicts otherwise it is open to attacks from America, which means America can put a air of legitamecy on thier fucking stupid wars by sighting the inability of the UN to do anything.
peace
MX!
Yes, but one of the problems preventing UN action is that it has no standing army, it is not much more than discussional entity - states have to provide the the means and capabilities to undertake action. So basically anything the UN does or does not do is a reflection of the states of which it is composed (I just think of those poor Dutch soldiers in Bosnia, they were exposed and vulnerable because they were outnumbered and overpowered and look what happened... innocent civilian men were slaughtered). Also that comes back to structural problems, the bickering and babbling between states prevents a consensus agreement on issues...so even if it did have effective means to intervene, there is no guarantee it would gain enough internal support to go ahead with it.
 
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Amara said:
Yes, but one of the problems preventing UN action is that it has no standing army, it is not much more than discussional entity - states have to provide the the means and capabilities to undertake action. So basically anything the UN does or does not do is a reflection of the states of which it is composed (I just think of those poor Dutch soldiers in Bosnia, they were exposed and vulnerable because they were outnumbered and overpowered and look what happened... innocent civilian men were slaughtered). Also that comes back to structural problems, the bickering and babbling between states prevents a consensus agreement on issues...so even if it did have effective means to intervene, there is no guarantee it would gain enough internal support to go ahead with it.
Then what you have pointed out is the problem of a fedral organisation who have different interests at hand and the whole of the UN is unworkable.

To some extent I agree, but I also believe that certain states use the UN in a negative way to further their own political goals - this is unjustafiable, and this practise shouldnt happen.

If a state wants to act on its own; fine, let them. But if a state brings a resolution to the table and in particular to the security council and its rejected - that state then shouldnt blame the UN for an inability to act - this is the basis of a fedral organisation, they are allowed to reject a resolution on any basis that they see fit.

I dont agree that the UN should have a standing army - I think it would harm what the organisation was set up to do. We do not need a world police, especially made up of the world powers since the strongest power will inevitably rule. As it stands now there is the autonomy to say no, with a standing army States would be obliged to fight in a war whether they agreed with it or not. The Fedral basis of the UN is of paramount importance for the legitamecy of the UN, it is an organisation made up of states - not a state. The will of stong nations would prevail a lot more.
peace
MX!
 
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MX Red said:
Then what you have pointed out is the problem of a fedral organisation who have different interests at hand and the whole of the UN is unworkable.

To some extent I agree, but I also believe that certain states use the UN in a negative way to further their own political goals - this is unjustafiable, and this practise shouldnt happen.

If a state wants to act on its own; fine, let them. But if a state brings a resolution to the table and in particular to the security council and its rejected - that state then shouldnt blame the UN for an inability to act - this is the basis of a fedral organisation, they are allowed to reject a resolution on any basis that they see fit.

I dont agree that the UN should have a standing army - I think it would harm what the organisation was set up to do. We do not need a world police, especially made up of the world powers since the strongest power will inevitably rule. As it stands now there is the autonomy to say no, with a standing army States would be obliged to fight in a war whether they agreed with it or not. The Fedral basis of the UN is of paramount importance for the legitamecy of the UN, it is an organisation made up of states - not a state. The will of stong nations would prevail a lot more.
peace
MX!
Yeah and that is essentially the problem with liberal cooperative approaches, they cannot work if states only adhere the rules so long as they coincide with state interests. If they didn't maintain these realist tendencies and instead acted in the interests of the community, then there would be no need to manipulate and/or reject the UN system.

I never said I think there should be a standing army, I was trying to say that there are no guarantees, considering the nature and structure of the UN, that in the event a resolution is passed, they will be able to effectively implement and achieve its goals. So in order to be effective, states have to provide the means, both legally and logistically - so therefore it is hypocritical for states to criticise the UNs action or inaction when, as I said earlier, it is a reflection of the states themselves.
 
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Amara said:
Yeah and that is essentially the problem with liberal cooperative approaches, they cannot work if states only adhere the rules so long as they coincide with state interests. If they didn't maintain these realist tendencies and instead acted in the interests of the community, then there would be no need to manipulate and/or reject the UN system.

But States wouldnt par-take in action that is against the national interest - National interests should always take presitent.

You would have to define 'interests of the community' for me to understand what u mean by this...too open ended e.g. - What if the UN were to place sanctions against Kuwait for crimes against humanity (this is only a senario), Kuwait were selling cheep oil to poor countries - single handedly keeping their economies stable. Sanctions are brought in - oil prices sore, poor countries hit a deep reccession - but killings stop. What is the interest of the community? the people of Kuwait? or the people of the poor countries who now suffer from deep slump?

Its not a straightforward problem - there are so many different 'interests' to keep in mind, which are more important? member states or rouge states - what is the ultimate goal - the spreading of democracy in the hope it will produce a civilised society? or economic stability? Justice for member states or justice for civilians of rouge states?

Personally i think people are expecting the UN to forfill things it simply cant - for each good thing it does, an equal negative reaction will be produce somewhere along the line. Take Fair Trade for example - it would benifit thrid world countries no end, their economy and their people. It would do the opposit to developed countries - higher prices, weakend economy...less money for people, with prices rising - should the UN demand Fair Trade as a way of development for third world countries?

People must accept that the UN is a fedral organisation, and thus is limited in what it can achive - autonomy of the nation state is much better for the world than a united UN with all political power.

The undermining of its authority doesnt come from its structure as a fedral organisation, it comes from nations trying to manipulate it as a tool for one nation state instead instead of leaving it as a independant fedral organisation.
peace
MX!
 
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MX Red said:
But States wouldnt par-take in action that is against the national interest - National interests should always take presitent.

You would have to define 'interests of the community' for me to understand what u mean by this...too open ended e.g. - What if the UN were to place sanctions against Kuwait for crimes against humanity (this is only a senario), Kuwait were selling cheep oil to poor countries - single handedly keeping their economies stable. Sanctions are brought in - oil prices sore, poor countries hit a deep reccession - but killings stop. What is the interest of the community? the people of Kuwait? or the people of the poor countries who now suffer from deep slump?

Its not a straightforward problem - there are so many different 'interests' to keep in mind, which are more important? member states or rouge states - what is the ultimate goal - the spreading of democracy in the hope it will produce a civilised society? or economic stability? Justice for member states or justice for civilians of rouge states?

Personally i think people are expecting the UN to forfill things it simply cant - for each good thing it does, an equal negative reaction will be produce somewhere along the line. Take Fair Trade for example - it would benifit thrid world countries no end, their economy and their people. It would do the opposit to developed countries - higher prices, weakend economy...less money for people, with prices rising - should the UN demand Fair Trade as a way of development for third world countries?

People must accept that the UN is a fedral organisation, and thus is limited in what it can achive - autonomy of the nation state is much better for the world than a united UN with all political power.

The undermining of its authority doesnt come from its structure as a fedral organisation, it comes from nations trying to manipulate it as a tool for one nation state instead instead of leaving it as a independant fedral organisation.
peace
MX!
Why is the presumption that community interests have to differ to that of national interests? My point is there are community interests that should be viewed as national interests. One should not have come at the expense of the other. States should not pertain to adhere to community interests, only to reject and manipulate them to further their own goals.

Interests of the community already have been defined to some extent - look at the UN charter, international covenants, international treaties, not to meantion the fact that it is the role of the UN to infact define and decide those interests as they arise in a given situation - ultimately isnt this the role of the GA and SC?? To define the interests of the community and hence, reach a conclusion for implementation and achievement of those objectives.

As for the meantion of democracy and member states vs rogue states. These questions are answered in the Charter. Democracy is not not a prerequisite for engaging in the international community. And every state is entitled to sovereignty, whether rogue or otherwise.

THe UN is not something which is supposed to control and direct international affairs. They are not supposed to yield all the political power as you put it. It is not a world government, it is not the director of affairs, yet it is a legitimate body of organisation put in place to promote peaceful interaction and protect common values as laid out in the Charter.

As for the idea of balancing out the economic situation, I take that as an aside issue. Look at the nature of the thrid world - children are needlessly dying everyday. I would rather forgo some of my lifestyle in order to change this and promote a sense of common good. As it is, our taxpayer dollars are being used to fund a defence budget being spent on an unnecessary war, so effectively we are playing a part in the destruction of life when we could be using the relative strength of our economies to protect life - you know which my conscience would prefer. This is not a UN issue though - this is something we and by extension our states should want to pursue without having to be "forced." Equality and freedom for the people of the world shouldnt be seen as a hindrance to us, and I think it is the selfish and greedy characteristics of mankind that prevent any such good measures being undertaken.

Why do you think some states are able to use the UN to achieve national goals? It is the structure, the veto system. Very view states are able to manipulate the system, the only ones that can are of course the permanent members of the SC, thus it is very much about the structure of the system.

The pursuance of national interests as opposed to collective approaches is not a better system of international organisation. After all, it was the pursuance of national interests over co-operation which lead us into WWI, then if we didn't learn the first time, we went there again in WWII. International affairs is insecure and conflict ridden when states pursue national interests ahead of all else. We need diplomacy, collaboration and bodies such as the UN in order to overcome the effects of the anarchic system and allow for dialogue, confidence building and the achievement of mutual goals of security and peace.
 
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Let's hope something good will happen out of all this, else there's no point in bringing out ideas if nothing becomes concrete at the end of the day. BTW the US would careless what the UN would do because they're the cowboys from the West, Freedom Fighters, the so-called heroes. Let's see seriously what's going to happen in the near future.

Peace
 
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makaveli_411 said:
Let's hope something good will happen out of all this, else there's no point in bringing out ideas if nothing becomes concrete at the end of the day. BTW the US would careless what the UN would do because they're the cowboys from the West, Freedom Fighters, the so-called heroes. Let's see seriously what's going to happen in the near future.

Peace
Well I think we can safely say, nothing will come of it - but that is not a failing of Annan's and we should not be critical of those who are trying to move forward and generate a better system. The reason nothing concrete will eventuate is because fools will chose to maintain the status quo, ignoring the importance of reform as a means to strengthen. UN Reform has been circling in the academic fields for ages, the thing is, no-one will do anything, no-one can....even though it is in the interests of peace that we do. Perhaps it is just that no-one wants peace. That may be the underlying premise and failure of liberalism.

The US does care though, the thing is, they care about their unilateral defence strategy and subjective security more. The US does undermine the UN, but it is not against it, or unsupportive of it. Like I said earlier they fund a significant portion of the UN budget, and play a major role in the SC. So they do care about the UN, its just certain other methods of action come into force when they feel their interests are at stake.
 

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