Umm yeah

[TecK NeeX]

thanx amara. it was nice of you to wait for rukas' reply to close the thread not even a minute after.

"If you seriously believe in your religion, worldly music has no place in your life. Worldly music carries in it the spirit of the world. The world is the devil, and any music about the world will allow the devil into your spirit."

Is that not what Islam says?

No thats not what Islam says. This is a perfect example of your ignorance when it comes to islam. No where does islam say "the world is the devil" after all this was said by jokerman a very obvious non-muslim. its common sense man Islam is not gonna call the world we live in 'the devil'. you're smarter than that or at least i hope you are

I didnt blame anything on ANYONE, I said that at some point, Islam needs to accept the fact that terrorists are Muslim and accept that responsibility. I never said Islam should be banned, punished or do anything other than stopping saying "they arent real Muslims," because clearly they are, they follow the Islamic faith. Therefore they are Muslim. Does that mean every Muslim should be punished for the actions of a few? Certainly not, and even though you love pretending I did, I never suggested such a thing.

Islam does not need to accept responsibility for ANYTHING. The ones that need to accept responsibility are the warmongers that have forced and left no choice for these crazy nuts but to commit these heinous acts. Do YOU really believe these people do it for the fun of it? get real buddy. they were given a reason to and thats the west's hell bent for the destruction and accupation of the Middle East. These killers are responsible not Islam. these terrorists have uttered the words "you will not dream of security until we can live it here" a million times. 'anti-music deals' is not what makes these guys strap bombs to themselves its the people that constantly drop bombs on them in the first place.

Thanks for that perfect example of twisting my words. I never said Islam should be held accountbale, that suggests someone should judge and punish Islam, I never said anything like that. I said Islam needs to accept responsibility itself and hold itself accountable for the actions of its people.

WTF is the difference? for Islam to be held responsible or hold itself accountable we must admit that Islam allows and encourages hate, terrorism etc when it clearly doesn't. Why should Islam accept responsibility when everything about the religion speaks against hate and violence?

However terrorists quote the Quaran and find justification in that, you can not deny that fact, and for that, Islam needs to accept responsiblity.

The verses extremists quote are CLEARLY meant for in times of self defence against the aggrresors ONLY , Muslims have every right to defend themselves. What Islam is against is the retaliation against the innocent. When they quote the Qur'an they're quoting for justification to retaliate NOT to attack the innocent.. So

1) Islam is responsible when extremists quote Qur'anic verse to justify retaliation in self defense ONLY

2) Islam CANNOT accept responsibility when these extremists direct their attacks towards the innocent and not the attackers when it clearly tells them NOT TO.

Those verses are never a tool of waging war against the innocent, it’s never a means of bullying the weak and the oppressed. Rather, it’s to defend islam from being eliminated or hindered. It was only when aggression was launched against Muslims that these verses became instrumental, to preserve their existence.

The Bible never bad mouths Jews, it never says they are the devil, it does not in anyway support what Hitler did, .

Islam never bad mouths the world. it never says it is the devil, it does not in anyway support what terrorists do. get that shit right.. So why should Islam have to accept responsibility and hold itself accountable and christianity shouldn't?.

Once again, the Bible doesnt in anyway suggest this type of action is alright

Once again. The Qur'an doesn't in anyway suggest this type of action is alright. So why should islam hold itself accountable and accept responsibility and once again christianity shouldn't? wow

Yes, thats right... e-guns, yep, alright, wow an e-ssassination.. . Snap, you've got me. Woah what a diss...cause yep, I talk like that

Isn't that what you're threatning me with? Your mighty banning trigger? i used those e words in mockery of you as if my life line would go flat if i get banned

 

[Flipmo]

It shouldn't have been closed. There's been so many religion threads that nobody ever had any understandings, but they stayed open because no beef resorted from them. No beef was coming from that thread, maybe words were exchanged, but nothing to the extreme.

 

[Jurhum]

No thats not what Islam says. This is a perfect example of your ignorance when it comes to islam. No where does islam say "the world is the devil" after all this was said by jokerman a very obvious non-muslim. its common sense man Islam is not gonna call the world we live in 'the devil'. you're smarter than that or at least i hope you are

That would be my mistake. I quoted Jokerman, regarding that the music being a worldly thing. I never really concentrated on the other part. However, I admit it was part of my fault.

 

[Jurhum]

It shouldn't have been closed. There's been so many religion threads that nobody ever had any understandings, but they stayed open because no beef resorted from them. No beef was coming from that thread, maybe words were exchanged, but nothing to the extreme.

It was indeed a heated discussion. However, it shouldn't have been closed. It kind of gave WoW back what it was missing.

 

[bigmack]

i didnt even try to waste my time in that thread.It is pointless trying to convince a few confused individuals who try to twist shit up about islam.

Rukas you make too many false assumptions.I suggest you read up on islam before I would consider taking you seriously. I wouldn't question aspects of you religion before being knowledgeable about it.

We can only be judged by allah.I could care less what other people think.

Good job closing the thread amara,wooo,you're super cool.high fives everyone

 

[Bigg Limn]

Semi-offtopic, but just out of curiousity are there any good places to read up on Islam [like...the real shit, not any twisted perspective of it; Ive had enuf of that with Christianity] on the internet? Cuz thats cheaper than buying books...but eventually when I get some money and more into reading again Ima pick up some shit.

 

[Jurhum]

http://www.islamicity.com/education/understandingislamandmuslims/


If you browse through that site, you will find a lot of good information regarding Islam.

 

[Bigg Limn]

Good lookin...what about http://thetruereligion.org ? I 4get how I found that site but its bookmarked lol...looks 2 be some good information on there 2.

 

[not really ken]

i didnt even try to waste my time in that thread.It is pointless trying to convince a few confused individuals who try to twist shit up about islam.

Rukas you make too many false assumptions.I suggest you read up on islam before I would consider taking you seriously. I wouldn't question aspects of you religion before being knowledgeable about it.

We can only be judged by allah.I could care less what other people think.

Good job closing the thread amara,wooo,you're super cool.high fives everyone

Seriously, Bigmack! With this post, your the one who shouldn't be taken seriously, not Rukas.

 

[Sebastian]

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ken u should have closed this thread after teck neekz post. u knew amara closed the other one for a reason.

 

[Jokerman]

This discussion does not need to be closed! Finally, something interesting to read in this place. Oh oh, there's a disagreement, close the thread! Close the board! Run for your lives!

Now, yeah, I was speaking about a sub-group of christians who see the world as the devil. What that exactly means you would need to listen to their preaching. And my point was that it seems that Muslims kind of see things as if they see it that way too. Especially when it comes to non-religious Western media and cultural lifestyles. Not that they use that exact language. (Muslims don't even believe in the devil as the source of all evil.) Jurham felt it expressed his position too. Rukas took that as a statement of Islamic belief or teaching. From my point of view, both of you are making valid points. Just don't insult, curse, or threaten to ban one another and maybe you'll eventually agree 100 percent and live happily ever after.

P.S. It's obvious to everyone, that as an atheist, I'm a better Muslim than TecK NeeX will ever be.

Teck's response: "@!#%&$#@!"

 

[not really ken]

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ken u should have closed this thread after teck neekz post. u knew amara closed the other one for a reason.

I was asleep when Teck made that post! The discussion, I thought was interesting just that certain people need to express themselves more maturely.

 

[Jurhum]

Good lookin...what about http://thetruereligion.org ? I 4get how I found that site but its bookmarked lol...looks 2 be some good information on there 2.

It looks authentic.

 

[XIAN]

What exactly is the point of closing threads? Does the forum really need cops?

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Originally Posted by ~Bachaveli Don~
Its like if he was to work as a security at pharmacy store and all of sudden hurricane hits and people start wilding out and runing away and he sees some old homeless man steals medicine from the store, i tell you bereal will chace old man ass after him and will try to make him bring back what he stole.

LMMFAO^

 

[Kareem]

damn that last argument was hella heated! both ya'll got some valid points seriously, Ruk an Tech, just my lil side bar comments an not directed at anyone individual, as far as saying that "Islam" teaches intolerance (sp) it isnt "Islam" rather individuals who like you said Ruk Twist things the quran says to fit "their" own agenda. As far as my readingof the quran has gotten (its a huge book to read) we dont view the Jews as "evil" nor does the Quran say they are, it states they have fallen from God's grace for disobiediance, the Bible even mentions this, the children of Israel were told repeatedly by God an his messengers if they continued to dis obey an stray from his will his blessing would be removed from them an bestowed on another nation. This happened many times, the Quran doesnt say the "Jews" are evil kill em all so on an so forth. Islam was brought forth as God's final warning an instruction to mankind, when the Quran referrs to the Unbelievers or Kaffir, it is speaking of those who reject faith period, be it muslim, christian or Jew. I really dont believe Rukas was implying that the over all teaching of Islam was hate an intolorence, mearly this is the way we are portrayed by the media this is what they would have you believe when in fact the Quran instructs us to live in harmony an peace with the other religeons, UNLESS they attack us then alls fair in love an war. I can see what your saying about how we (muslims) view the west, even though i am from the west myself, in my own personal eyes i see the west an those who follow or allow the same sick events to be similair to Soddom an Gamorha the 2 cities destroyed by God for their lack of moral values an disobdience towards God, only in these sociteies do we kill our babies, throw our poor an helpless to the side like some stray dog, allow homosexualls to spread their sickness an message upon everyone an lable it as "normal", invade an destroy sovern nations for oil profits while their people are still not any better off then before, over all its a sick world, its not just the WEST! The world peroid is in a sad state an no one will notice or care until its too late. Over all tech my brother i dont believe Rukas was trying to attack or discredit Islam, i believe he was mearly looking for some logical answears to a religeon that is often mis represented an misunderstood. Salaam peace an blessings