U.N. report calls for terrorism suspects to be tried or released

[The.Menace]

http://www.cnn.com/2006/US/02/16/un.guantanamo/index.html
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/4722534.stm

What do you think? I'm happy that the UN finally critizies what happens there, I've been doin this for years. I think it's a shame for the US - to disrepsect human rights and basically everything they claim to stand 4.

The Bush administration dismissed the findings of the report, with White House spokesman Scott McClellan calling it "a rehash" of claims made by lawyers for some of those prisoners.

Actually this statement makes me angry. The US didn't ALLOW the UN to talk to the prisoners, that's why they started talkin to the lawyers - and no you flip the script sayin all those are just claims? THIS IS SILLY. A 8 year old kid can argue more logical than that.


anyway, I close this post with one of my favorite quotes....
"and you wonder why they hate us"

peace

 

[Duke]

Finally.

 

[Jokerman]

Yeah, release them and point them in the direction of Iraq. Give them some bombs, too.

 

[PuffnScruff]

please this is such bullshit. those people at the UN never even went down there to cuba. easy for them to call for their release when they havent seen first hand how they are being treated. this shit from the UN is such bullshit

and how can you say "...to disrepsect human rights and basically everything they claim to stand 4. " if they are released from the cuban prison, do you know where they will end up? prisons back in their countries. the same countries that allow torture. the same prisons where they will for sure will out a doubt be tortured. the same prisons that dont know what human rights means.

those prisoners are treated a hell of alot better in that cuban prison than they would be in their own countries.

 

[Devious]

please this is such bullshit. those people at the UN never even went down there to cuba. easy for them to call for their release when they havent seen first hand how they are being treated. this shit from the UN is such bullshit

and how can you say "...to disrepsect human rights and basically everything they claim to stand 4. " if they are released from the cuban prison, do you know where they will end up? prisons back in their countries. the same countries that allow torture. the same prisons where they will for sure will out a doubt be tortured. the same prisons that dont know what human rights means.

those prisoners are treated a hell of alot better in that cuban prison than they would be in their own countries.

Hmmm, so thats how it works then, it's ok to torture suspects as long as the torture isn't worse than in their home country?

 

[jaimie.uk fan]

please this is such bullshit. those people at the UN never even went down there to cuba. easy for them to call for their release when they havent seen first hand how they are being treated. this shit from the UN is such bullshit

and how can you say "...to disrepsect human rights and basically everything they claim to stand 4. " if they are released from the cuban prison, do you know where they will end up? prisons back in their countries. the same countries that allow torture. the same prisons where they will for sure will out a doubt be tortured. the same prisons that dont know what human rights means.

those prisoners are treated a hell of alot better in that cuban prison than they would be in their own countries.

I totaly agree

Jokerman - Yeah, release them and point them in the direction of Iraq. Give them some bombs, too.

Nah they will head straight for the u.k. claim benifits of the state for a while , and then participate in terrorist activities against the country paying for their worthless backsides .

 

[The.Menace]

please this is such bullshit. those people at the UN never even went down there to cuba. easy for them to call for their release when they havent seen first hand how they are being treated. this shit from the UN is such bullshit

The UN didn't go there because they didn't get the permission for free access and 2 talk to the prisioners. How can you ignore that? Why can't the US allow those guys to talk with the prisoners? If this is a normal jail, there would be no reason to deny this. Anyway, it's silly to blame the UN not to go there. I'm glad they didn't go there, i'm glad they didn't play this theater to US wanted them to do.


Second point, I never said you have to release terrorists. But if all these guys are THAT BAD, why don't give them a tiral? If they are that bad, it should be easy to jail them after a trial.

Hmmm, so thats how it works then, it's ok to torture suspects as long as the torture isn't worse than in their home country?

lol yeah, it's like.....I'm allowed 2 beat my wife cause if she would be with that other dude he'd hit her even harder then I do.

Nah they will head straight for the u.k. claim benifits of the state for a while , and then participate in terrorist activities against the country paying for their worthless backsides .

I don't know what they gonna do and you can't no neigther, that's why it's called future. Anyway, we lock people donwn for things they MIGHT do one day? Is this how it works now?

 

[jaimie.uk fan]

I don't know what they gonna do and you can't no neigther, that's why it's called future. Anyway, we lock people donwn for things they MIGHT do one day? Is this how it works now?

Take away my attempt at humor this is exactly what is happening in the u.k. right now im afraid to say .

 

[Shahin]

please this is such bullshit. those people at the UN never even went down there to cuba. easy for them to call for their release when they havent seen first hand how they are being treated. this shit from the UN is such bullshit

and how can you say "...to disrepsect human rights and basically everything they claim to stand 4. " if they are released from the cuban prison, do you know where they will end up? prisons back in their countries. the same countries that allow torture. the same prisons where they will for sure will out a doubt be tortured. the same prisons that dont know what human rights means.

those prisoners are treated a hell of alot better in that cuban prison than they would be in their own countries.

How they are being treated is not the issue. An objective, open trial is needed to prove guilt. You wouldn't have a problem with being incarcerated in spite of your innocence, as long as you get treated well?

 

[Duke]

please this is such bullshit. those people at the UN never even went down there to cuba. easy for them to call for their release when they havent seen first hand how they are being treated. this shit from the UN is such bullshit

and how can you say "...to disrepsect human rights and basically everything they claim to stand 4. " if they are released from the cuban prison, do you know where they will end up? prisons back in their countries. the same countries that allow torture. the same prisons where they will for sure will out a doubt be tortured. the same prisons that dont know what human rights means.

those prisoners are treated a hell of alot better in that cuban prison than they would be in their own countries.

C'mon, man, drop the "others do worse things!" argument. It holds no value at all.

When the self-proclaimed leading country of the Free World treats prisoners like this (in a very undemocratic and unfree way i may add), it makes them just as bad as all the dictatorial regimes the world over.

And especially when we add the shakiness of a lot of those cases in account (people having nothing to do with terrorism getting detained for 3 years), I can't say i agree with the way the holy US of A is doing their oh-so democratic, freedom-bringing thing.

 

[PuffnScruff]

Hmmm, so thats how it works then, it's ok to torture suspects as long as the torture isn't worse than in their home country?

did i say that? no i didnt? is this what you do? in your regular day life do you go around and put words in peoples mouths?

alot of these so called reports of abuse at the prison in cuba were proven to be false.

and regardless if the un people couldnt speak to the prisoners they should have at least gone down there and had a look for themselves.

 

[The.Menace]

and regardless if the un people couldnt speak to the prisoners they should have at least gone down there and had a look for themselves.

2 get a guided tour?

 

[TecK NeeX]

Anyone who doesn't believe the U.S is commiting some sort of torture in Gitmo is a fool, They did it in the heart of the Middle East, whats stopping them from doing it thousands of miles away? the Cuban drug cartels? not likely

 

[PuffnScruff]

Anyone that believes speculation and false reports is the fool.

Just because a FEW, very few, pissed off and bored g.I.'s made some bad decisions does not mean that the entire u.s. Military is behind the abuse. It also does not mean that it proves it's going on in cuba either.

Saying that the u.s. Military is abusing these prisoners(like I stated above was only done by a few pissed off,dumb,and bored gi's that were punished for their actions and those soldiers do not represent the entire military) is no different than saying that all muslims are terrorist. Which we all know not all muslims are. The ones that are only make up a very small percent of arabs and muslims across the world.

 

[TecK NeeX]

Anyone that believes speculation and false reports is the fool.

Just because a FEW, very few, pissed off and bored g.I.'s made some bad decisions does not mean that the entire u.s. Military is behind the abuse. It also does not mean that it proves it's going on in cuba either.

Saying that the u.s. Military is abusing these prisoners(like I stated above was only done by a few pissed off,dumb,and bored gi's that were punished for their actions and those soldiers do not represent the entire military) is no different than saying that all muslims are terrorist. Which we all know not all muslims are. The ones that are only make up a very small percent of arabs and muslims across the world.

How can the entire U.S military abuse pisoners when only a fraction of the force are gaurding POW's? no one is generalizing here, it took only 12 soldiers to abuse an entire prison in Iraq which held thousands of iraqis, Gitmo on the other hand is holding a few hundred so i dont think it would take that many to practice some kind of abuse on the prisoners. Lets remember the prisoners in Gitmo are '9/11 suspects' the ones in iraq aren't. im pretty sure you can figure one which prisoners americans feel more hate for.

And to say that only a few soldiers were involved in the abu ghraib abuse and not everyone in charge of that prison is complete utter bullshit. It's either all or none. there is no possible way the abuse that occured like what we saw in the images in the prison could have went on for that long without someone noticing what was going on and putting a stop to it. we had to wait for thousands of pictures to surface for someone to do something about it.

do you really believe the abuse would have stopped somehow if the pictures did not surface? I very much doubt that. and i can't say for certain that abuse have indeed stopped all together, im pretty sure this time someone is going to extreme means to make sure no cameras are present when you know what

 

[PuffnScruff]

How can the entire U.S military abuse pisoners when only a fraction of the force are gaurding POW's? no one is generalizing here, it took only 12 soldiers to abuse an entire prison in Iraq which held thousands of iraqis, Gitmo on the other hand is holding a few hundred so i dont think it would take that many to practice some kind of abuse on the prisoners. Lets remember the prisoners in Gitmo are '9/11 suspects' the ones in iraq aren't. im pretty sure you can figure one which prisoners americans feel more hate for.

And to say that only a few soldiers were involved in the abu ghraib abuse and not everyone in charge of that prison is complete utter bullshit. It's either all or none. there is no possible way the abuse that occured like what we saw in the images in the prison could have went on for that long without someone noticing what was going on and putting a stop to it. we had to wait for thousands of pictures to surface for someone to do something about it.

do you really believe the abuse would have stopped somehow if the pictures did not surface? I very much doubt that. and i can't say for certain that abuse have indeed stopped all together, im pretty sure this time someone is going to extreme means to make sure no cameras are present when you know what

you said "Anyone who doesn't believe the U.S is commiting some sort of torture in Gitmo is a fool..." when you say the U.S. you are either implying the United States as whole, The U.S. govt, or the U.S military.

the more you speak about what you think you know about the u.s military you only prove how little you really know. you know nothing about the u.s military and how it works. you might as well as stop typing.

 

[ill-matic]

the more you speak about what you think you know about the u.s military you only prove how little you really know. you know nothing about the u.s military and how it works. you might as well as stop typing.

err, that had absolutely nothing to do with what he said. he wasn't claiming anything about how the military works in your country. what are you talking about?

 

[The.Menace]

nyone that believes speculation and false reports is the fool.

So Puff, what ar we supposed 2 do? Like I said above, the UN wanted 2 check the prision but they got no permission form the US - what are we supposed 2 do. Accept the whole situation and the injustice just because it would be easier für the US government? Aren't we allowed to critizies if something isn't done the right way? Are we supposed 2 shut up just because GWBush wants us 2?

 

[tupacmansion]

I don't mind terrorists being lockep up, but you cant just lock anyone up and take away all of their rights. If the US is so sure of themselves then why not take these people to trial and prove em guilty?

 

[TecK NeeX]

err, that had absolutely nothing to do with what he said. he wasn't claiming anything about how the military works in your country. what are you talking about?

No worries man. He didn't tackle my points which leads me to believe that he can't and wont so he had no choice but to resort to the "you dont know what you're talking about" reply. that shit is expected from people like him