time machines?

[LL COOL PAC]

Would a space shuttle that travelled to a parellel universe that was in the past or present state of our world be considered a time machine? I have been debating this with a friend for a while for a while. He argues it does i think it doesn't.
Let me give you a example to illustrate why not . BM is sitting in a room with a cup o' joe on the table. Now, you have two choices (ok, a plenty more, but let's just approximate): to drink the coffee or not to drink the coffee. At this moment, the universe splits apart into two (mostly) identical universes: one where you drank the coffee, and one where you didn't. Let's take it further. Say, BM is a coffee addict, if he doesn't get his cup of coffee, he will die. So there is a parallel universe where you are dead/dying and one where you're healthy and alive. You can travel from one to the other (as long as you are alive), but that's not time travel. It's a completely another space-time continuum. Whatever you do there, it doesn't affect what happens in the other space-time continuum (which is a prerequisite of 'real' time travel).

sorry to inflict physics on those who are not interested

 

[Jokerman]

While not getting into the nature of time here, what you describe would not be time travel per se, but space-time travel, or "multi-verse" travel.

 

[Khaled]

In any case, you cannot change what happens in the current space time continuum (Einstein), so your definition if time travel does not exist.

 

[Rukas]

You can travel from one to the other (as long as you are alive)

No you can't.


Thats like saying BM died in one 'verse and went into another but can now go back into the one he died.

If the multiverse theory is correct then thats not how it works, you cant just go off the track, its splits, but you can jump back and forth from tracks.

As for your question, yes, if it travelled back in time then it is a time machine, but it would travel back to a different past, as the time machine didnt exist in your timeline before, thus it doesnt travel back to your time, so therefore its a time machine and multiverse machine.

If the multiverse theory is correct.

 

[Swollen_Member]

Would a space shuttle that travelled to a parellel universe that was in the past or present state of our world be considered a time machine? I have been debating this with a friend for a while for a while. He argues it does i think it doesn't.
Let me give you a example to illustrate why not . BM is sitting in a room with a cup o' joe on the table. Now, you have two choices (ok, a plenty more, but let's just approximate): to drink the coffee or not to drink the coffee. At this moment, the universe splits apart into two (mostly) identical universes: one where you drank the coffee, and one where you didn't. Let's take it further. Say, BM is a coffee addict, if he doesn't get his cup of coffee, he will die. So there is a parallel universe where you are dead/dying and one where you're healthy and alive. You can travel from one to the other (as long as you are alive), but that's not time travel. It's a completely another space-time continuum. Whatever you do there, it doesn't affect what happens in the other space-time continuum (which is a prerequisite of 'real' time travel).

sorry to inflict physics on those who are not interested

I'm not much of a physisits but this shit is somewhat Kabbalah to me LL COOL PAC. Your analogy is a good example of some Kabbalah teachings.

It's like if you go to the theatre to see a movie, but change your mind once you get there, and see a diferent movie. The movie you were gonna see is still playing whether your there or not, you just chose to watch a diferent movie.

I don't really see the logic in time/universe trave though because if you did, would you be visiting the universe as yourself or through like an ominisant point of view. Like if you visited a universe where you died, would you then die? or would you be a clone of yourself standing over your corpse?

 

[kman_69]

i see your point....this is why time travel is only possible into the future...and not into the past

 

[Levendi]

Would a space shuttle that travelled to a parallel universe be considered a Time Machine?

No. It would be considered a Multi-Verse Machine.

The parallel universe you entered would also have a parallel timeline and date, therefore no time displacement occurs.






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[Jocka]

I'll explain why traveling into the past is impossible.

Consider this. Someone built a time machine to go back and time and shoot hitler in the face with a grenade launcher. So he gets there, and he shoots hitler. Now in the future, he basically has no clue who hitler was. Therefor, he would have never went back in time. TA-DA!

As for going to the future, that's a different story. It wouldn't be SAFE, physically, to go into the future. It's SAFE to go into the past because you have proof and evidence of where houses/buildings/whatever once stood. You can't KNOW where something will be built in the future. Or where a car or FLYING car could be. Therefor, you could get stuck in a wall or hit by a moving object (car, train, plane, whatever) and die on the spot. While this doesn't prevent going into the future, it could be a very large risk.

 

[KAMIKAZI]

Are you guys serious? Why even discuss this? Do you really think time travel is possible?

 

[Jocka]

Possible, yes. Going to happen in my lifetime, no.

I'm sure it's possible. The idea of it sounds like some shit on the Sci-Fi channel, of course. But in reality, it is theoried by some of the greatest scientists to be a very realistic idea.

And theories aren't always right, I know this. But theories are all we can go on. I mean, we only have a theory that aids will be cured. There's no sure chance that it could EVER happen.

 

[KAMIKAZI]

Possible, yes. Going to happen in my lifetime, no.

I'm sure it's possible. The idea of it sounds like some shit on the Sci-Fi channel, of course. But in reality, it is theoried by some of the greatest scientists to be a very realistic idea.

And theories aren't always right, I know this. But theories are all we can go on. I mean, we only have a theory that aids will be cured. There's no sure chance that it could EVER happen.

Could you explain how it's possible? In English? lol remember I'm 15.

 

[Jocka]

Can I explain? Not really, lol. Something to do with a time warp, vortex, or something...

The theory says that if you enter this vortex, you will be sent to another time. The idea of you CONTROLLING what time your sent to, is a little odd to me.

This hasn't gone to far though because the theory also states that, the body may "deteriorate" during time travel. Problem here is, there is no sure chance that the body parts will be in the right place or will even come back together, on arrival of the different time.

 

[KAMIKAZI]

What I dont understand is, if I went back in time, to say, 1990, would I see a 1 year old me? And how could you travel to a time thats done and over with?

 

[Jocka]

I think you would be able to see yourself, yes. It may 'disturb' time somehow though. Not sure how that works really.

2nd question.. I'm not sure how that works. I suppose it would be easier to understand if you believed in either fate, GOD, Karma, etc.

If you believe in fate, then you believe that your destiny is already planned for you. You will live out your destiny according to fate.

If you believe in God, then you believe that God plans your destiny, etc.. etc..

If you believe in Karma, then you believe if you do good then good comes to you. If you do bad, bad comes to you. Etc.. etc..

 

[KAMIKAZI]

Just think about it, if you eat something, do really think you could go back in time before you ate it while it's in your stomach? lol

 

[Jocka]

As long as you didn't see yourself or somehow fuck up eating