The greatness of Alexander Rodriguez

[Butt Rubber]

To put this into baseball history prespective, once A-rod gets to 100 runs this year, here is how he ranks compared to many other baseball legends in the following club:


Most 30 Home run/100 Runs/100 RBI seasons:

Babe Ruth: 11
Jimmie Foxx: 11
Barry Bonds*: 11
Lou Gehrig: 10
Alex Rodriguez: 10 (well okay, he's still 5 runs away from 100 this year, but lets jump the gun)
Hank Aaron: 9
Willie Mays: 8
Jeff Bagwell: 8
Ted Williams: 7
Mike Schmidt: 7
Frank Thomas: 7
Jim Thome: 7 (close to #8)
Joe Dimaggio: 6
Ken Griffey Jr: 6
Gary Sheffield*: 6
Vlad Guerrero: 6 (could get to #7 soon)
Mel Ott: 6
Albert Pujols: 6
Ralph Kiner: 6
Frank Robinson: 6
Sammy Sosa*: 5
Hank Greenberg: 5
Todd Helton: 5
Duke Snider: 5
Carlos Delgado: 5
Manny Ramirez: 5 (23 runs away from season #6)
Stan Musial: 5
Eddie Mathews: 4
Albert Belle: 4
Chuck Klein: 4
Hack Wilson: 3
Rogers Hornsby: 3
Al Simmons: 3
Rafael Palmiero*: 3
Mark McGwire*: 3
Mickey Mantle: 2
Willie McCovey: 2
Harmon Killebrew: 2
Ernie Banks: 2
Mike Piazza: 2
Carl Yaztremski: 2
Don Mattingly: 2
Juan Gonzoles: 2
Adam Dunn: 2
David Ortiz: 2
Reggie Jackson: 1

I'm surely missing a few guys with perhaps 3 or 4 seasons on this list, i just got tired and stopped looking.

 

[tennis_dog]

*waits for bach*

like i said before, just cuz he's having the worst year of his career...or atleast i think it is....doesnt mean he sucks....that 30/100/100 mark is very hard to come across...its all in 5 tool players, which are the most valuable..

and i didnt see abreu on the list...is he not one of those people?

 

[Butt Rubber]

abreu has 2 seasons with 30/100/100

a-rod is the only career shortstop on that entire list above 3 seasons of 30/100/100 by the way


ernie banks is on there for 2 seasons, but then again he spent more of his career at 1st base than shortstop

 

[Butt Rubber]

*waits for bach*

like i said before, just cuz he's having the worst year of his career...or atleast i think it is....doesnt mean he sucks

http://www.baseball-reference.com/r/rodrial01.shtml

1997 wasn't really that good for A-rod standards, granted he missed 21 games. his OPS+ was only 119 (well below his career average) that year

 

[Bachaveli]

*waits for bach*

like i said before, just cuz he's having the worst year of his career...or atleast i think it is....doesnt mean he sucks....that 30/100/100 mark is very hard to come across...its all in 5 tool players, which are the most valuable..

and i didnt see abreu on the list...is he not one of those people?

The last chapter of your retardates was shut down.You wanna start part two now?Was i that much for you to handle that all you're imaging now with baseball word in is me?And you and your pm still won't make you sound any better.

As for the topic,these stats doesn't make A-Rod any better then what he already is.What he already is..i've being saying this and will say it again he will never be a clutch hitter.He will never be a feared player.Yes,he will hit tons of HR's and RBI's but he wont be a player likes of Pujols's and Ortiz's.This is my opinon but its true.I dislike him with the passion.Hes a jackass.I don't think he deserves to be with Yankees.He looks at other teamates to do his job.Hes seem to be an arrogant and stubborn individual.

Plays and moments like these is what makes him unrespected and jackass individual.

Admit it bank,the only reason you're promoting his stats and admiring him is because hes with the Yankees.I didn't see you talking about him before he got to the Yankees.As soon as he leaves and if he does,you'll start talking shit about him.Thats the difference between me and you.Even though im an Yankee fan,i don't hide the truth even if its against my team,when i see the dirt,i talk about it.I don't make it look like an angel when its not.But you do,you make it look good.

 

[Snowman]

As Archie Bunker put it best

thats an impressive category. but he aint that great

 

[Butt Rubber]

bach, you're about as much of a yankees fan as ben afleck

you didnt see me talking about a-rod until he joined the yankees? how are you able to look back at any of my posts prior to 2004? i didnt even use streethop to post about sports back in 2003

second, keep the personal attacks to tennis dog off this forum. take it to PMs if you really need to.

third, how is a-rod arrogant for the veritek-arod clash? veritek was the one who wasn't man enough to take off his catching gear.

fourth, who are you to personally judge A-rod? He's not an asshole like Bonds*, he's not a lazy fuck like Manny, he's not a drama queen like Schilling. You act like he beat you for your lunch money when you were a kid. How does A-rod look towards other people to do his job? He looks towards other people to be the youngest player to ever hit 460 home runs?? He looks towards other people to win his MVPs?

The difference between me and you is simple (besides the much larger bulge in my pants), I follow baseball and know the value of A-rod historically. You sit and bitch like a what-have-you-done-for-me-lately fan who would rather cheer for inferior players over superstars simply because of personal stuburness.

You're the type of fan who would boo Jeter if he went 0-4 in a game. There's no place in Yankee land for fans of that nature.

I hereby disown any Yankee status you have and banish you to Red Sox nation (where you're ortiz loving and a-rod hating ways belong)

This thread is to contgratulate the greatness of A-rod, not to pick petty fights with people.

Now, did you know A-rod is a rare member of the 40 homers/40 stolen base club?

 

[tennis_dog]

^^^ prolly not, i dont believe he's ever picked up an American newspaper before, let alone read the sports section to find out ortiz was out with a heart ailment...

you can still be a yanks fan and not live in NY...or America for that matter...look at me....i lived in NY for a while, went to a couple yanks games when i was a kid, but i still support them from chicago....

you however, prolly just loved them because they were winning so much....you have no baseball knowledge, whatsoever, if you think a-rod's career sucks...if you say you never said that, then this seasons should not overshadow what he's accomplished before....

 

[Butt Rubber]

i'm a yankees fan living in red sox nation

theres a few of us up here

thankfully none are as ignorant as Bach

 

[Bachaveli]

The Veritek incident,the pitcher threw a ball right at A-Rod (accidently or not) and it almost hit him,he then started cursing and walking toward the pitcher and thats when Veritek step in just like every other catcher would do to prevent further drama.A-Rod took this wrong way and turned around and started runing his mouth to Veritek,probably was said ''what you gonna do''?Thats being jack ass.He had nothing to do with Veritek,he should have gotten straight with the pitcher who threw a ball at him not Veritek.

Second,why aren't you saying anything about that first picture play?How he like a little bitch swapped the ball to beat to the plate.Thats straight up pussy like.Because you know hes a pussy,your just in denial.

You exaggeration things a bit.You know very well that i didn't mean he looks others to hit his HR's.What i mean is i don't think he takes his job serious enough.Whenever i strikes out or goes to the bench,he seems to not care.As if he thinks there are Jeter's and Giambi's who can still finish what i didn't finish.I don't think he feels failure when he doesn't come through when needed.

Well,i guess then you don't know me and what im about if you think i just sit and bitch.I don't hate on Yankees believe me.I just hate A-Rod.I just don't like such individuals who are in team like Yankees and present themselves as if they're devil rays players.You should know as you claim to be a big Yankee fan that A-Rod is not a true Yankee and isn't respected around.

Like i said before i don't care what kinda numbers he'll put up,so bring up all the 40/40 stats and HR's as you want,they don't really impress me or change my views about him.I just don't want somebody whos a jack ass playing for team like Yankees and embarrassing the team.

How is my hating on A-Rod any different then yours to David Ortiz?Theres no one single dirt in his rap sheet so how could you hate on him.See,im not dickriding,im just looking for justice.So when i ask these question it might come out as if im dickring for Ortiz but i'm not.I just want to know how is your hate towards Ortiz justiciable.Its not.You just hating because hes a Sox player and probably jelous he's done so much for his team.Again,any normal person with little brain would see this is not dickriding.This is about being fair.But you two or at least you sit there and say an Yankees fan defends a Red Sox fan.Well,stop talking false shit about him and i won't have to.

And i'm gonna respond to this kids shots being taken at me as long as he talks shit in here.You trying too hard to put me down and make me look bad it ain't happening.Say what you wanna say it don't make any difference.

 

[tennis_dog]

notable words from the essay

"justiciable"

"exaggeration"
"im not dickriding him"


hahaha, hey, you know what, call me....630-201-4737... i wanna laugh in your face at how stupid you sound when you try to talk smart....hahahahahaha....

bank robber and i arent the only guys that think you're retarded....the upcoming thread really makes you look like a jackass




http://www.streethop.com/forum/thread167213.html

 

[AmerikazMost]

The Veritek incident,the pitcher threw a ball right at A-Rod (accidently or not) and it almost hit him,he then started cursing and walking toward the pitcher and thats when Veritek step in just like every other catcher would do to prevent further drama.A-Rod took this wrong way and turned around and started runing his mouth to Veritek,probably was said ''what you gonna do''?Thats being jack ass.He had nothing to do with Veritek,he should have gotten straight with the pitcher who threw a ball at him not Veritek.

This is the only thing I agree with you about. Varitek wasn't looking for a fight (he didn't take off his glove either.. kind of hard to throw punches with a catcher's mit on, don't cha think?) and thus had no reason to remove his gear. It probably didn't even cross his mind. He was just protecting his pitcher and A-Rod lost it.

Second,why aren't you saying anything about that first picture play?How he like a little bitch swapped the ball to beat to the plate.Thats straight up pussy like.Because you know hes a pussy,your just in denial.

You exaggeration things a bit.You know very well that i didn't mean he looks others to hit his HR's.What i mean is i don't think he takes his job serious enough.Whenever i strikes out or goes to the bench,he seems to not care.As if he thinks there are Jeter's and Giambi's who can still finish what i didn't finish.I don't think he feels failure when he doesn't come through when needed.

Well,i guess then you don't know me and what im about if you think i just sit and bitch.I don't hate on Yankees believe me.I just hate A-Rod.I just don't like such individuals who are in team like Yankees and present themselves as if they're devil rays players.You should know as you claim to be a big Yankee fan that A-Rod is not a true Yankee and isn't respected around.

Like i said before i don't care what kinda numbers he'll put up,so bring up all the 40/40 stats and HR's as you want,they don't really impress me or change my views about him.I just don't want somebody whos a jack ass playing for team like Yankees and embarrassing the team.

How is my hating on A-Rod any different then yours to David Ortiz?Theres no one single dirt in his rap sheet so how could you hate on him.See,im not dickriding,im just looking for justice.So when i ask these question it might come out as if im dickring for Ortiz but i'm not.I just want to know how is your hate towards Ortiz justiciable.Its not.You just hating because hes a Sox player and probably jelous he's done so much for his team.Again,any normal person with little brain would see this is not dickriding.This is about being fair.But you two or at least you sit there and say an Yankees fan defends a Red Sox fan.Well,stop talking false shit about him and i won't have to.

And i'm gonna respond to this kids shots being taken at me as long as he talks shit in here.You trying too hard to put me down and make me look bad it ain't happening.Say what you wanna say it don't make any difference.

Bach, I can't even take anything you say seriously anymore. It's one thing to be biased, but it's another to let that bias schew things to the extreme.

Bank makes fun of Ortiz - doesn't hate him - because he's on Boston. He's argues for his player because it's his player, and argues against everyone else because that's what you do when you take a side on something.

I don't like A-Rod either. He's the biggest baby in baseball, but he performs at the plate. He's a Hall of Famer and maybe the greatest SS ever (he could play defense at SS). The numbers he puts up are historic, and that can't be argued.

 

[tennis_dog]

well, a-rod and tejada are the best at SS....and jeter too...

in a random note, is cesar izturis as great as everyone makes him out to be? he's on the cubbies now, but all analysts talk about is how he SHOULD factor into the cubbies next season....

 

[Bachaveli]

I don't like A-Rod either. He's the biggest baby in baseball, but he performs at the plate. He's a Hall of Famer and maybe the greatest SS ever (he could play defense at SS). The numbers he puts up are historic, and that can't be argued.

He performs when team doesn't need help.He doesn't perform when needed.

I'm sure he'll get at least one ring before his career is over and i'm sure he'll be a hall of famer one day, not a greatest SS in my opinion.But,that still doesn't take away the fact that hes a jack ass.When hes career is over i'm pretty sure people will remember him as someone who won world*cough* series rings but made very little contribution.Someone who wasn't respected nor loved in his city because he had stupid moments like that swapping the ball and Veritek incident... and who knows what clever thing he does next that eventually be seen in his miserable chapter.Grab Ortiz's MVP trophy when Ortiz be in news conference?Or steal a world*cough* series trophy from Mets clubhouse?

 

[Butt Rubber]

He performs when team doesn't need help.He doesn't perform when needed.

so he wasn't needed in the 2004 ALCS when he hit a double in the 11th inning, stole 3rd base and scored the series winning run on a wild pitch?

How about the 2000 ALCS against the Yankees? You're a Yankees fan, right? You don't remember that?

Sure, he sucked in the 2005 ALDS against the Angels, but where the hell was David Ortiz? Doing the same thing as A-rod--making a first round exit.

I'm sure he'll get at least one ring before his career is over and i'm sure he'll be a hall of famer one day, not a greatest SS in my opinion.

Other than Honus Wagner and John Henry Lloyd, there's no arguement against A-rod being the best SS ever. Are you an Arky Vaughn enthusiest or something?

But,that still doesn't take away the fact that hes a jack ass.

...which you have no proof/reasoning behind that statement.

When hes career is over i'm pretty sure people will remember him as someone who won world*cough* series rings but made very little contribution.Someone who wasn't respected nor loved in his city because he had stupid moments like that swapping the ball and Veritek incident... and who knows what clever thing he does next that eventually be seen in his miserable chapter.Grab Ortiz's MVP trophy when Ortiz be in news conference?Or steal a world*cough* series trophy from Mets clubhouse?

I'm pretty sure nobody remembers Ty Cobb, Ted Williams and Ernie Banks as players who never won a championship and/or struggled whenever they made the playoffs.

Does anyone remember Babe Ruth for being thrown out stealing 2nd base to END the 1926 world series?

no, they'll remember him for hitting 714 home runs, having the highest career slugging average ever, winning 12 home run titles and saving baseball.


Do people remember Willie Mays for hitting .247 in the playoffs?

No, they remember him for 660 home runs, making "the catch" and winning countless gold gloves.


Will anyone remember Randy Johnson for having a losing record in the post-season?

no, they'll remember him for throwing a perfect game, winning 5 Cy Young awards and having the ugliest mullet ever.


If Ortiz wants to get an MVP, he needs to learn how to use a glove, and maybe shed a few pounds.

 

[tennis_dog]

^^ def. a compelling argument there.... but i gotta disagree with ortiz.... he clearly is a talented baseball player...so what if he and a-rod dont step up in the playoffs??? is this a one-man team?? the yanks and red sox sure as hell arent...if ortiz blows in the playoffs, varitek, manny, and even loretta should take command of the offense and try to spark something...with the yanks, jeter should, and he does, along with sheff and matsuim cano and giambi....its not a-rod's team....if he goes down, someone should be there to carry his load...

ortiz, like i said, is talented...at least as a hitter...whether he plays defense or not, i believe that's out of his control...should every 1B be undermined because they dont have much to do?? just catch the mundane, routine throw from the SS or 3B to get the out?? it's a hard job...you miss the catch, he's goin to second and you're hated for the rest of the game by the fans....

still, he DH's....it's out of his control...youkillis takes first right? what can ortiz do, kick him off and put himself in there? it's actually a smart decision on francona's part, since he may not want to lose ortiz to some petty injury...keep him at DH and on the sidelines....there's nothing wrong with that...should we undermine jim thome's accomplishments cuz he's a DH now?? sure, he's had a career, and that also playign first, but give ortiz some time...he may not prove defensively if he stays in the AL, or even with the red sox, but if he can prove he can kill the ball and put it in play, that's good enough for me....

if he was to improve on somthing this year, for me, i'd say to raise that average up a bit...but then again, he walks and he's a slugger...so he's not doign anything different...

 

[Butt Rubber]

ortiz is a talented hitter

no doubt about it

but 25 years from now he'll be remembered as Mo Vaugn with a ring.

a-rod however will have his name at the top of many record lists, and will be remembered for much more.

 

[Bachaveli]

so he wasn't needed in the 2004 ALCS when he hit a double in the 11th inning, stole 3rd base and scored the series winning run on a wild pitch?

How about the 2000 ALCS against the Yankees? You're a Yankees fan, right? You don't remember that?

Sure, he sucked in the 2005 ALDS against the Angels, but where the hell was David Ortiz? Doing the same thing as A-rod--making a first round exit.

This isn't about Ortiz vs. A-Rod.This is about A-Rod only.Believe me you don't wanna compare the number of times Ortiz has come through in clutch while with Sox vs. the number of times A-Rod has come through in his entire life.I wasn't watching him back then but still,even the Yankees days only,It would not be even close.All i know is A-Rod can't come through in clutch.Look at last years playoffs.

Other than Honus Wagner and John Henry Lloyd, there's no arguement against A-rod being the best SS ever. Are you an Arky Vaughn enthusiest or something?

By the time Jeter's career is over i think he will pass him in pretty much every stat category.Jeter has passed him already in hits,runs,sb and has way higher average.Eventually he'll catch up to his HR's and RBI's.Not to mention defensively Jeter is much better compare to A-Rod in his SS days.Did i mention Jeter has won three rings?

...which you have no proof/reasoning behind that statement.

..Of course i do.If loosing the game and trying to prevent Red Sox miracle come back from the 0-3 down and trying your ass off to get a hit or two but nothing you can do,instead swap the ball lol doesn't make you a jack ass i don't know what does then.Was is not that play during the ALCS?

I'm pretty sure nobody remembers Ty Cobb, Ted Williams and Ernie Banks as players who never won a championship and/or struggled whenever they made the playoffs.

Does anyone remember Babe Ruth for being thrown out stealing 2nd base to END the 1926 world series?

no, they'll remember him for hitting 714 home runs, having the highest career slugging average ever, winning 12 home run titles and saving baseball.


Do people remember Willie Mays for hitting .247 in the playoffs?

No, they remember him for 660 home runs, making "the catch" and winning countless gold gloves.


Will anyone remember Randy Johnson for having a losing record in the post-season?

no, they'll remember him for throwing a perfect game, winning 5 Cy Young awards and having the ugliest mullet ever.

I'm sure those players weren't swapping the gloves of the opposing players while runing down to the first base to get a hit.Or getting booed every time they'd walk back in the bench in their own stadium.

If Ortiz wants to get an MVP, he needs to learn how to use a glove, and maybe shed a few pounds.

No he doesn't.Hes just fine as he is if you ask me.

 

[Butt Rubber]

This isn't about Ortiz vs. A-Rod.This is about A-Rod only.Believe me you don't wanna compare the number of times Ortiz has come through in clutch while with Sox vs. the number of times A-Rod has come through in his entire life.I wasn't watching him back then but still,even the Yankees days only,It would not be even close.All i know is A-Rod can't come through in clutch.Look at last years playoffs.

hahahahaha wow, did you ignore everything I said? 2004 ALDS? 2000 ALDS? Every great player can have a bad playoff series

is Vlad Guerrero not clutch after last year's ALCS?

By the time Jeter's career is over i think he will pass him in pretty much every stat category.Jeter has passed him already in hits,runs,sb and has way higher average.Eventually he'll catch up to his HR's and RBI's.

Who will catch up to who? Jeter will catch up to A-rod in HRs and RBIs?? Jeter is 2 years older than A-rod and 250+ home runs behind.

Not to mention defensively Jeter is much better compare to A-Rod in his SS days.Did i mention Jeter has won three rings?

Jeter prior to about 2003 was actually a below average defensive shortstop. Go to baseball-reference.com and look at how horrible his range is compared to the league average.

If you really think Jeter is better defensively than A-rod was at SS then you're just being delusional here.

.Of course i do.If loosing the game and trying to prevent Red Sox miracle come back from the 0-3 down and trying your ass off to get a hit or two but nothing you can do,instead swap the ball lol doesn't make you a jack ass i don't know what does then.Was is not that play during the ALCS?

I'm sure those players weren't swapping the gloves of the opposing players while runing down to the first base to get a hit.Or getting booed every time they'd walk back in the bench in their own stadium.

You're right. However, Ty Cobb beat up handicapped hecklers and slashed people with spikes in his shoes. Ted Williams was a loner and a miserable team mate by many accounts. Babe Ruth once urinated on a team mate. Mickey Mantle was a drunk. Mike Schmidt abused amphedemines. Hank Aaron once took speed to try to get out of a slump. Tris Speaker was a KKK member.

There's dirt out there on the character of EVERY baseball player, many times outweighing A-rod's little ball-slap.

No he doesn't.Hes just fine as he is if you ask me.

Good thing nobodies asking you to vote for the MVP selection

 

[Saint33]

go jays