The Downing Street Memo

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http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2087-1593607,00.html

SECRET AND STRICTLY PERSONAL - UK EYES ONLY
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DAVID MANNING
From: Matthew Rycroft
Date: 23 July 2002
S 195 /02

cc: Defence Secretary, Foreign Secretary, Attorney-General, Sir Richard Wilson, John Scarlett, Francis Richards, CDS, C, Jonathan Powell, Sally Morgan, Alastair Campbell

IRAQ: PRIME MINISTER'S MEETING, 23 JULY

Copy addressees and you met the Prime Minister on 23 July to discuss Iraq.

This record is extremely sensitive. No further copies should be made. It should be shown only to those with a genuine need to know its contents.

John Scarlett summarised the intelligence and latest JIC assessment. Saddam's regime was tough and based on extreme fear. The only way to overthrow it was likely to be by massive military action. Saddam was worried and expected an attack, probably by air and land, but he was not convinced that it would be immediate or overwhelming. His regime expected their neighbours to line up with the US. Saddam knew that regular army morale was poor. Real support for Saddam among the public was probably narrowly based.

C reported on his recent talks in Washington. There was a perceptible shift in attitude. Military action was now seen as inevitable. Bush wanted to remove Saddam, through military action, justified by the conjunction of terrorism and WMD. But the intelligence and facts were being fixed around the policy. The NSC had no patience with the UN route, and no enthusiasm for publishing material on the Iraqi regime's record. There was little discussion in Washington of the aftermath after military action.

CDS said that military planners would brief CENTCOM on 1-2 August, Rumsfeld on 3 August and Bush on 4 August.

The two broad US options were:

(a) Generated Start. A slow build-up of 250,000 US troops, a short (72 hour) air campaign, then a move up to Baghdad from the south. Lead time of 90 days (30 days preparation plus 60 days deployment to Kuwait).

(b) Running Start. Use forces already in theatre (3 x 6,000), continuous air campaign, initiated by an Iraqi casus belli. Total lead time of 60 days with the air campaign beginning even earlier. A hazardous option.

The US saw the UK (and Kuwait) as essential, with basing in Diego Garcia and Cyprus critical for either option. Turkey and other Gulf states were also important, but less vital. The three main options for UK involvement were:

(i) Basing in Diego Garcia and Cyprus, plus three SF squadrons.

(ii) As above, with maritime and air assets in addition.

(iii) As above, plus a land contribution of up to 40,000, perhaps with a discrete role in Northern Iraq entering from Turkey, tying down two Iraqi divisions.


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The Defence Secretary said that the US had already begun "spikes of activity" to put pressure on the regime. No decisions had been taken, but he thought the most likely timing in US minds for military action to begin was January, with the timeline beginning 30 days before the US Congressional elections.

The Foreign Secretary said he would discuss this with Colin Powell this week. It seemed clear that Bush had made up his mind to take military action, even if the timing was not yet decided. But the case was thin. Saddam was not threatening his neighbours, and his WMD capability was less than that of Libya, North Korea or Iran. We should work up a plan for an ultimatum to Saddam to allow back in the UN weapons inspectors. This would also help with the legal justification for the use of force.

The Attorney-General said that the desire for regime change was not a legal base for military action. There were three possible legal bases: self-defence, humanitarian intervention, or UNSC authorisation. The first and second could not be the base in this case. Relying on UNSCR 1205 of three years ago would be difficult. The situation might of course change.

The Prime Minister said that it would make a big difference politically and legally if Saddam refused to allow in the UN inspectors. Regime change and WMD were linked in the sense that it was the regime that was producing the WMD. There were different strategies for dealing with Libya and Iran. If the political context were right, people would support regime change. The two key issues were whether the military plan worked and whether we had the political strategy to give the military plan the space to work.

On the first, CDS said that we did not know yet if the US battleplan was workable. The military were continuing to ask lots of questions.

For instance, what were the consequences, if Saddam used WMD on day one, or if Baghdad did not collapse and urban warfighting began? You said that Saddam could also use his WMD on Kuwait. Or on Israel, added the Defence Secretary.

The Foreign Secretary thought the US would not go ahead with a military plan unless convinced that it was a winning strategy. On this, US and UK interests converged. But on the political strategy, there could be US/UK differences. Despite US resistance, we should explore discreetly the ultimatum. Saddam would continue to play hard-ball with the UN.

John Scarlett assessed that Saddam would allow the inspectors back in only when he thought the threat of military action was real.

The Defence Secretary said that if the Prime Minister wanted UK military involvement, he would need to decide this early. He cautioned that many in the US did not think it worth going down the ultimatum route. It would be important for the Prime Minister to set out the political context to Bush.

Conclusions:

(a) We should work on the assumption that the UK would take part in any military action. But we needed a fuller picture of US planning before we could take any firm decisions. CDS should tell the US military that we were considering a range of options.

(b) The Prime Minister would revert on the question of whether funds could be spent in preparation for this operation.

(c) CDS would send the Prime Minister full details of the proposed military campaign and possible UK contributions by the end of the week.
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(d) The Foreign Secretary would send the Prime Minister the background on the UN inspectors, and discreetly work up the ultimatum to Saddam.

He would also send the Prime Minister advice on the positions of countries in the region especially Turkey, and of the key EU member states.

(e) John Scarlett would send the Prime Minister a full intelligence update.

(f) We must not ignore the legal issues: the Attorney-General would consider legal advice with FCO/MOD legal advisers.

(I have written separately to commission this follow-up work.)

MATTHEW RYCROFT

(Rycroft was a Downing Street foreign policy aide)
Discuss.
 

PuffnScruff

Well-Known Member
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it's going to be very interesting too see how this plays out over here in the U.S.

it took news medias a pretty long time to jump on this story over here.
 

PuffnScruff

Well-Known Member
#3
the US didnt invade till almost a year later. so it seems like the waited till the last possiable moment.
i'm not surpised that they were planning this ahead. any president would have that felt there was a threat, and depending on the information he is being told.
i really can't say that i'm sorry to see saddam out of power and his son's dead.
 

XIAN

New Member
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I'm not so sorry for Sadaam but for his country I am. For all the little kids growing up in a war zone and all the destruction this war has done. As far as the Iraqis being free I'm not sure that they weren't already. If it was so bad why weren't there "insurgents" going after Sadaam's army before the war?

This thing is just another piece of evidence that our government lies. I feel really sad for all the soldiers who went over there.

Peace.
 

PuffnScruff

Well-Known Member
#5
alot of the insurgents are from north africa. not iraq.

chris mathews on msnbc is going to be talking about the downing street memo tonight on hardball. i;m going to try and catch the encore show after i get off work.
 

The.Menace

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Staff member
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Bush wanted to remove Saddam, through military action, justified by the conjunction of terrorism and WMD. But the intelligence and facts were being fixed around the policy. The NSC had no patience with the UN route, and no enthusiasm for publishing material on the Iraqi regime's record. There was little discussion in Washington of the aftermath after military action.
really nothing new - just noone wanted to believe it....it was all a fake, WMD all that shit, they lied, face reality. And nope I don't want to hear about "the information that Bush was given" bullshit. This is the easy way out, I tell ya, he knew it - all the way - the just str8 up lied and you know what - it was the right thing to do cause he got re-elected.
 

Duke

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Staff member
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XIAN said:
As far as the Iraqis being free I'm not sure that they weren't already. If it was so bad why weren't there "insurgents" going after Sadaam's army before the war?


hehe, do you have any idea what uncle Saddam would do to insurgents? Their families?

The kurds didn't even try to revolt. But he didn't like them still so he gassed them.


C'mon, Saddams regime was about as bad as it gets
 

PuffnScruff

Well-Known Member
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i honestly dont see what the big deal is about this memo.

saddam was running the risk of being invaded by not following list of rules the UN set up after the gulf war. if he violated any of those rules he ran the risk of going to war all over again. he was in violation of these rules for years. i wouldnt doubt if a plan to invade iraq was started by the pentagon before bush even took office.
 

TecK NeeX

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Blair admits authenticity of the Downing Street Memo

British Prime Minister Tony Blair has finaly admitted the authenticity of the so-called "Downing Street Memos" in an interview with the Associated Press which also viewed the memo, the New York Times reported yesterday.

Blair said the ''Downing Street memos'' paint a distorted picture, and he insisted that the Iraq war was not predetermined by the United States. ''People say the decision was already taken. The decision was not already taken,'' he said in an exclusive interview with The Associated Press, the New York Times reported.

The report said "Blair added he was 'a bit astonished' at the intensive U.S. media coverage... According to the minutes of the meeting, Sir Richard Dearlove, then chief of Britain's intelligence service, said the White House viewed military action against Saddam Hussein as inevitable following the Sept. 11 attacks."

The report added: President Bush ''wanted to remove Saddam, through military action, justified by the conjunction of terrorism and WMD,'' read the memo, seen by the AP. ''But the intelligence and facts were being fixed around the policy.''

While Blair said the content of the memo was being distorted, the memo, which are seen by many as a clear cut evidence that the US administration intentionally deceived the US public about the reason for needing to go to war, had instigated a letter signed by some 89 congressmen to the Bush administration to respond to the facts the memos speak off. Also, Congressman John Conyers held hearing most recently on this issue. The Downing Street Memo, a top secret memo, was first revealed by the UK's Sunday Times last month.
 

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