Srebrenica Crimes

[makavelli963]

I just watched the news on Tv and they were showing the Killing of 6 young muslim bosnian boys in 1995, in the town of Srebrenica. I wanted to ask if any1 else saw this and wat they think of these Crimes.
I personally hate the Serbs, because of their constant denying of the crimes their Government performed during the 1990`s Balkan Wars. In Kosovo back in 1997-1999 the hineous crimes the serbs performed were the worst in recent history.

Wat yall think

P.s i know its a bit of a random thread.

R.i.p. Makaveli

 

[linx]

Personally, I think anyone dying is a shame. It's even more of a shame if it has to do with race and shit like that.

 

[Zero Cool]

I personally hate the Serbs, because of their constant denying of the crimes their Government performed during the 1990`s Balkan Wars. In Kosovo back in 1997-1999 the hineous crimes the serbs performed were the worst in recent history.

Wat yall think

P.s i know its a bit of a random thread.

R.i.p. Makaveli

Do you hate the Germans too? And the Americans? And the Russians? And basically every other powerful nation who has partaked in this sort of activity?

 

[Amara]

I just watched the news on Tv and they were showing the Killing of 6 young muslim bosnian boys in 1995, in the town of Srebrenica. I wanted to ask if any1 else saw this and wat they think of these Crimes.
I personally hate the Serbs, because of their constant denying of the crimes their Government performed during the 1990`s Balkan Wars. In Kosovo back in 1997-1999 the hineous crimes the serbs performed were the worst in recent history.

In politics class at uni we watched a video every year about Srebrenica. It was really disturbing and thousands of men were killed - it was a mass slaughtering... all the men from the village were hearded away, separated from the women and children by the Serbs, who 'cut a deal' of some sort with the dutch UN peacekeepers in a meeting between the UN officer in charge and General Mladic to gain access to the civilians in the supposed "safe area," but the men were killed anyway - only the women and children were safely escorted away on buses.

We use it as an example of the weaknesses of the UN... understaffed and ill-equipped which left themselves and the citizens of Srebrenica vulnerable to the whims of the Serbs. I do not think, however, that justifies hating the Serbs, it was a situation of turmoil... it may be seem unjust to have committed such acts, but as they say 'hatred is not the answer' ... restitution or admittance, yes you are right, is important.. but I would be careful not to make such bold, racist statements - do so will only perpetuate the cycle of intolerance that leads to inter-societal breakdown. Especially considering these actions stemmed from Mladic, not serbs in general... or perhaps you could even go so far as to say Milosevic personally.

There's more info about Srebrenica for anyone that is interested at this site, it just gives the low down of what happened: http://www.gendercide.org/case_srebrenica.html

 

[makavelli963]

Sorry my writing confused some...I should of pointed out that my hate goes to the government and president that ordered these attacks...the serb people i feel neutral about. Who here is from Eastern Europe especially the Balkan Region?


R.i.p.Makaveli

 

[Duke]

In politics class at uni we watched a video every year about Srebrenica. It was really disturbing and thousands of men were killed - it was a mass slaughtering... all the men from the village were hearded away, separated from the women and children by the Serbs, who 'cut a deal' of some sort with the dutch UN peacekeepers in a meeting between the UN officer in charge and General Mladic to gain access to the civilians in the supposed "safe area," but the men were killed anyway - only the women and children were safely escorted away on buses.

We use it as an example of the weaknesses of the UN... understaffed and ill-equipped which left themselves and the citizens of Srebrenica vulnerable to the whims of the Serbs. I do not think, however, that justifies hating the Serbs, it was a situation of turmoil... it may be seem unjust to have committed such acts, but as they say 'hatred is not the answer' ... restitution or admittance, yes you are right, is important.. but I would be careful not to make such bold, racist statements - do so will only perpetuate the cycle of intolerance that leads to inter-societal breakdown. Especially considering these actions stemmed from Mladic, not serbs in general... or perhaps you could even go so far as to say Milosevic personally.

There's more info about Srebrenica for anyone that is interested at this site, it just gives the low down of what happened: http://www.gendercide.org/case_srebrenica.html

Cutting a deal with the Dutch might not be the appropriate wording. I don't fully agree with the actions of the Dutch commander (i'd say fight to the death, are you soldiers or mice?, but thats a different story), he was in the tightest spot. There were hundreds of Serbian soldiers around him with heavy armour and support units and he only had a detachment of like, a couple of dozen soldiers. They asked repeatedly for air support but these requests got lost in the bureaucratical mill (incredible...).

The man (Karremans was his name) caught a LOT of heat in Holland for his actions. Such as talking with Mladic, shaking hands, accepting gifts, when people thought he should've been more hardline.

But the man had the lives of his troops to think about as well, and the lives of the people he tried to protect. Not many choices.

We use it as an example of the weaknesses of the UN... understaffed and ill-equipped which left themselves and the citizens of Srebrenica vulnerable to the whims of the Serbs.

Very true


That site you listed takes some underhand shots at the Dutch troops present:

At Potocari, Dutch troops meekly allowed the Serbs access to the camps and the refugees they held.

Yes, well, what could they have done otherwise? I've got a couple of sites detaling the situation a bit more, but they're in Dutch.

Basically, the Dutchbatters were underequipped, understaffed and they couldnt make contact with headquarters. Besides that, they're should've been relieved long ago (no nation offered themselves up). heavy fighting was raging for days around the enclave, the dutch commander repeatedly asked for air support to protect the enclave, no response.

I felt the need to point that out :thumb:

 

[Amara]

Cutting a deal with the Dutch might not be the appropriate wording. I don't fully agree with the actions of the Dutch commander (i'd say fight to the death, are you soldiers or mice?, but thats a different story), he was in the tightest spot. There were hundreds of Serbian soldiers around him with heavy armour and support units and he only had a detachment of like, a couple of dozen soldiers. They asked repeatedly for air support but these requests got lost in the bureaucratical mill (incredible...).

The man (Karremans was his name) caught a LOT of heat in Holland for his actions. Such as talking with Mladic, shaking hands, accepting gifts, when people thought he should've been more hardline.

But the man had the lives of his troops to think about as well, and the lives of the people he tried to protect. Not many choices.

Very true

That site you listed takes some underhand shots at the Dutch troops present:

Yes, well, what could they have done otherwise? I've got a couple of sites detaling the situation a bit more, but they're in Dutch.

Basically, the Dutchbatters were underequipped, understaffed and they couldnt make contact with headquarters. Besides that, they're should've been relieved long ago (no nation offered themselves up). heavy fighting was raging for days around the enclave, the dutch commander repeatedly asked for air support to protect the enclave, no response.

Yeah, that was on the video, forgot about that part... I disagree with the statements that site made in regards to the peacekeepers. Judging by the footage of the meeting that took place between Karremans and Mladic, it was clear the peacekeepers had been backed into a corner. Mladic, on the otherhand was smug and confident - Karremans looked nervous and notably intimidated. "Deal" isnt the best word, yes you are right. There was basically nothing that could be done by the peacekeepers, it was already too late... they were as vulnerable as the civilians. Despite the communication errors and a lack of resources and personnel, I do not think it is fair for anyone to criticise the UN for what happened in Srebrenica... I'd blame the lack of internal inniative to prevent conflict in the Balkans - blame intolerance, blame the dark side of human nature, but not those who are there in the interests of peace.

 

[Duke]

Yeah, that was on the video, forgot about that part... I disagree with the statements that site made in regards to the peacekeepers. Judging by the footage of the meeting that took place between Karremans and Mladic, it was clear the peacekeepers had been backed into a corner. Mladic, on the otherhand was smug and confident - Karremans looked nervous and notably intimidated. "Deal" isnt the best word, yes you are right. There was basically nothing that could be done by the peacekeepers, it was already too late... they were as vulnerable as the civilians. Despite the communication errors and a lack of resources and personnel, I do not think it is fair for anyone to criticise the UN for what happened in Srebrenica... I'd blame the lack of internal inniative to prevent conflict in the Balkans - blame intolerance, blame the dark side of human nature, but not those who are there in the interests of peace.

Heh, well said. But i do believe the UN is partially the one to blame. Also the Dutch cabinet, for sending an ill-equipped force on a mission that they had not at all investigated at (intelligence was non-existant, communication with Canbat, the previous Canadian force in the area, was very poor, etc).

The UN mostly for lack of communication, support etc.

Basically, the politicians are the ones to blame. The officials. But not the men in the field, who are duped by the situation.

I've seen Karremans and other Dutchbatters who were in Srebrenica on tv interviews. The impact the occasion had on them was huge. Some were brought to tears just talking about it.


I hope we, as a whole, can avoid such situations in the future. Let Srebrenica be a lesson to us.

 

[Amara]

Well it's now been 10 years....

R.I.P.

 

[Duke]

Yes, 10 years exactly. There is a remembrance there now. Dutch minister of foreign affairs is attending.

Some relatives of people killed in the tragedy are now sueing the Dutch government. =/

 

[Flipmo]

If that pisses you off, which is does for me. Did you hear about the bombs planted there on the 10th annaversary not too long ago? Luckly the U.N tipped the Bosnian police and they found the bombs. Apperently they we're planted there for when the mourners came to see they fallen loved one, the bombs would take them out too. It was in the newspaper here.

I'm Croatian and if you wanna know How Hizzle is Bosanac.

edit: Sorry for the mistakes, I'm just about to head out so I'm typing quickly.

 

[RFTP]

Rest In Peace

FlipMo; Wow, that gotta suck ass, so who planted the bomb (obviously serbs)?

 

[Pezz]

Rest In Peace

FlipMo; Wow, that gotta suck ass, so who planted the bomb (obviously serbs)?

SICK!!! Serbs are too nationalistic and they love the 3-finger symbol they got... meaning in the name of the father, son, and holy ghost..and u know how many people they massacred and celebrated afterwards with the name of that symbol. this was on History Channel.

ps. not all serbs are bad... but most of them think alike.

 

[devils_advok8]

R.i.p

 

[CalcuoCuchicheo]

The UN's uselessness pisses me off in a major way.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not really talking about the individual men & women, but the organization & their policies.

 

[Duke]

The UN's uselessness pisses me off in a major way.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not really talking about the individual men & women, but the organization & their policies.

Aye, even with the UN, in the end, it's all politics.

 

[S O F I]

Rest In Peace

FlipMo; Wow, that gotta suck ass, so who planted the bomb (obviously serbs)?

Wrong. There was only one suspect arested and his name was Sabahudin something. A MUSLIM name. He was let go due to lack of evidence. What I think is, Muslims planted it so people could say, "Obviously Serbs". But, we shall see.

As for Srebrenica, don't think that those muslim men and boys didn't have firearms on them before being aprehended by the Serb troops. I'm not justifying what my people(Serbs) did, but Muslims did even worse things then what Serbs did in Srebrenica. People just don't know because the media turned on the Muslim side, like they're the only victims of the war. I have video evidence of what "Mudzahedini" did on mount Ozren, but I'll leave it at that.

 

[S O F I]

SICK!!! Serbs are too nationalistic and they love the 3-finger symbol they got... meaning in the name of the father, son, and holy ghost..and u know how many people they massacred and celebrated afterwards with the name of that symbol. this was on History Channel.

ps. not all serbs are bad... but most of them think alike.

As many Serb racists there are, there are just as many Muslim racists. Don't single us out, buddy. Now, I discredit your post just because you said, "This was on History Channel." Go to Bosnia and the Republic of Srpska, and see first-hand.

 

[Duke]

^^ He's got a point.


I tend to disagree with you when you suggest the Srebrenica men had firearms. Perhaps some did, and then still for self protection.