Similarities in Religion

#1
There has been much discussion lately about the flaws of religion which has been at times quite heated. But we have people who know a lot about the subject and are quite opinionated. So I wanna use that but instead of focussing on the inconsistencies and controversial aspects, I want to focus on the positives and similarities. Basically, I wanna know and would ask for specific quotes on what is the underlying message of religion. And for non-religious people, perhaps just life in general.

One person, said something like this: "it is about peace, brotherhood and equality." How exactly is this expressed, can I have a direct quote? I think it sums up all religion. Basically we want a way of bringing people together, giving them purpose and understanding so that they can co-exist peacefully. It's about treating people with respect... all people, would everyone agree? What other common values can we find? Please, I urge you all to respond.
 

Rukas

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#3
Well Judaism, Christianity, and Islam are monotheistic religions and both believe in one God. But I think you mean values, rather then what they believe to be true.

Really the three are quite similar, they all believe that God created us to be the highest form of life on earth, in his image, and he created us with free will so we are capable of doing good and evil.

Most importantly, and I think most related to your intent for this thread, all three religions believe that faith is to be shown by action through the way we treat others, and concern for their well being, and the love we show one another, as well as social and personal ethics.

From a Christian point of view (I'll let the Muslims and Jews quote their own scripture), Jesus fundementaly and straight forwardly said "Do unto others as you would have them do onto you." So basically, treat others with the respect that you would like to be treated.
 
#4
i think the main point of all religions (including hinduism and buddhism) is to show people how to live happy and peacefully. As Dante states in "De Monarchia", the ultimate purpose of human kind is to live in inner peace.
 
#5
Khaled said:
i think the main point of all religions (including hinduism and buddhism) is to show people how to live happy and peacefully. As Dante states in "De Monarchia", the ultimate purpose of human kind is to live in inner peace.
So how is happiness and peace best achieved? Through tolerance, understanding? How would someone find inner peace? How does it relate to others, or is it purely personal?

Rukas said:
all three religions believe that faith is to be shown by action through the way we treat others, and concern for their well being, and the love we show one another, as well as social and personal ethics.
So basically, treat others with the respect that you would like to be treated.
Ok, so respect. Good will. No doubt also compassion. So much of it is the way people deal with each other, in addition to mere belief in god. It goes back to existing peacefully.

Keep the replies coming. Seems most people are more interested in arguing and causing divergence of faiths than bringing them together and finding commonality between people... isnt that sadly ironic ....
 

Rukas

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#6
Amara said:
Ok, so respect. Good will. No doubt also compassion. So much of it is the way people deal with each other, in addition to mere belief in god. It goes back to existing peacefully.

Keep the replies coming. Seems most people are more interested in arguing and causing divergence of faiths than bringing them together and finding commonality between people... isnt that sadly ironic ....
If you love God, you follow God's teaching, so by showing love towards other people like God wants, you show love to God.
 

The.Menace

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#7
From a Christian point of view (I'll let the Muslims and Jews quote their own scripture), Jesus fundementaly and straight forwardly said "Do unto others as you would have them do onto you." So basically, treat others with the respect that you would like to be treated.
This is what I was about to say.

Plus in every religion killing, stealin etc is prohibiten, another hting in common.
 
#8
Amara said:
So how is happiness and peace best achieved? Through tolerance, understanding? How would someone find inner peace? How does it relate to others, or is it purely personal?

happiness and peace must achieved on a personal level. Religion is supposed to promote individual spiritual growth and developpment.
I always said that religion is bad. The values behind each religion might be very good, but religion itself is not helping at all. As long as people blindly accept some facts such as they should love eachothers, or whatever... without knowing why, religion is actually preventing spiritual development.

There's a story about Buddha, where people would come to him asking him whether god exists or not. He used to tell atheists that he existed, and tell believers that God is just a result of their imaginations.

Another example is Jesus. He never intended to create a new religion. He said that the jewish temple was "his father's house" (correct me if i m wrong). I know buddhist who believe that Jesus was the greatest Buddha (enlightened master) ever, even more powerful than Gautema (the 1st buddha).

Rukas jesus's quote: "Do unto others as you would have them do onto you" makes perfect sense. But if someone is willing to face the consequences of his actions, i's he allowed according to christianity to kill people, or rape women. What if i tell you i wanna kill people and rape women, and i am willing to go to hell, will that contradict christianity??? i know it doesn't contradict Ruka's quote.

The only way to attain individual spiritual enlightenment is on a personal/individual level. Religion tries to impose spirituality on people, and this will ultimately fail.

being compassionate or loving doesn't make one closer to God, God doesn't have feelings, he is beyond human emotions.
 
#9
^ That's going off track. This isnt a critique of religion...thats being done everywhere. The purpose is finding commonality of values. I still find it amazing people would rather dispute and disagree than demonstrate and show support for the peace and equality that their religions profess.... :rolleyes:
 
#11
A buddhist perspective:

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/zeph/message/834
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Are All Religions the Same?

It is a common and idealistically beautiful notion, that all the religions of the world essentially preach the same teachings for the betterment of the world. In fact, this is part of the spirit that makes harmonious interreligious dialogue possible - when we choose to focus on the similarities of compassion and wisdom. If we are to harp on the differences to one another instead, there would be religious conflict. But are all religions exactly the same upon closer look? Realistically, of course not - this is why there are different religions in the first place, even though there might be certain teachings which overlap in between. If we truly wish to deeply understand various religions, we will need to not only look at the similarities, which many tend to prefer to stop at, but to look at the differences too. It should not be surprising that the deeper one looks, the more obvious it might be that there are differences aplenty. Many Buddhists too have previously speculated on the sameness of all religions, till they studied more about Buddhism, realising how it even explains how various religious stems of thought evolved differently.

Is it okay for one to be a "hybrid Buddhist"? For instance, to be a "Whateverist-Buddhist" (fill in your faith in "Whatever")? While Buddhists are not sure of others' reactions to that, what would the Buddha think of such an idea? Well, though the Buddha clearly wished to benefit everyone with His teachings, He never demanded anyone to follow His teachings fully without question. In fact, He taught that "When you know for yourselves that, 'These qualities (as taught) are skillful; these qualities are blameless; these qualities are praised by the wise; these qualities, when adopted and carried out, lead to welfare and to happiness' - then you should enter and remain in them." (From the Kalama Sutta - please see for more details as to how to wisely embrace a teaching.) Though the quote might seem like common sense, it also means the Buddha allows us to be as Buddhist or non-Buddhist as we wish, as we personally find sensible or are comfortable with - though there is no guarantee that every individual understands what is truly "sensible".

Out of His great compassion, the Buddha would surely prefer us to benefit through partial practice of His teachings than to embrace none of them at all. Free-thinkers, those of other faiths and those who are not totally Buddhists are thus always welcomed to learn more about Buddhism in a non-exclusivist and "no obligation" way. What is worth pondering about the quote above is what truly constitutes "blameless", "when adopted and carried out, lead to welfare and happiness." As Buddhists, that leading towards Enlightenment in one way or another, directly or indirectly, should be seen as the ultimate benchmark, with Enlightenment being true "welfare and happiness". The Kalama spirit of "Come and see (and ask); don't just believe" is also renowned in Buddhism - a probable reason why Buddhism is currently the fastest growing religion in the largely dogmatically-saturated but spiritually-dissatisfied West.

The Buddha also taught unequivocally that to become fully spiritually liberated like Himself requires the full practice and realisation of the Noble Eightfold Path (Right view, resolve, speech, action, livelihood, effort, concentration) which He taught - "But in whatsoever Dhamma (teachings) and Discipline (moral guidelines) there is found the Noble Eightfold Path, there is found a true ascetic (spiritual practitioner) of the first, second, third, and fourth degrees of saintliness (levels of spiritual attainment). Now in this Dhamma and Discipline, Subhadda (the Buddha's last convert), is found the Noble Eightfold Path; and in it alone are also found true ascetics of the first, second, third, and fourth degrees of saintliness. Devoid of true ascetics are the systems of other teachers." (From the Mahaparinibbana Sutta) In this sense, to the extent that one practises the Noble Eightfold Path is the extent to which one is truly Buddhist at heart.

The Three Universal Characteristics (Anicca, Dukkha and Anatta) are also unique teachings found complete in Buddhism alone. These are often described as the "Three Seals of the Law (of Dharma)", used to authenticate the Buddha's teachings, to differentiate them from non-Buddhist teachings. Another major difference of Buddhism from many other religions is that the Buddha clearly proclaimed Himself not to be a god or godsend, having transcended the limitations of all beings, godly or not, though spiritual perfection, being addressed as the "Teacher of men and gods" instead. The Buddha also did not advocate the belief in an almighty God, and even explained how the concept of a creator God arose. That aside, He did teach of the existence of countless Buddhas and Bodhisattvas of infinite compassion, ever ready to help all beings attain True Happiness.

If one studies different religions on the surface level, one might be too quick to conclude that all religions simply teach us to avoid evil and to do good. The Buddha's teachings are often summarised in this verse, "To abstain from all evil, the practice of good, and the thorough purification of one's mind - this is the teaching of the Buddhas." (From the Dhammapada) Particular to Buddhism, not only does it has exceptionally unmatched high and detailed moral standards of universal compassion to all beings great and small, it also systematically advocates a path for the purification of the mind through meditational practices, whereby the end result is the realisation of non-self, attaining Enlightenment (also defined as the emancipation, Nirvana or True Happiness), after which one is able to help all beings attain the same liberation. These teachings are unique to Buddhism alone. Please see "What's So Wonderful About Buddhism" too, for a list of other oustanding features of Buddhism.

Even as one might be able to happily reconcile one's faith with the Buddhist faith, there are still indeed "irreconcilable differences" which make Buddhism, as well as other religions distinct from one another. While it might be perceived that different religions are different paths to the same goal, the goals of each religion are usually essentially different, and only somewhat similar. May we remember that to be truly open-minded does not merely entail looking beyond differences, only thinking that different religions have smiliarities in ideology - it also includes realising they have concrete differences too. This is important as having or promoting over-simplified or warped and thus inaccurate personal conjectures of the essences of various religions is not only unfair to oneself spiritually, it is also unfair to those of their respective religion.

While we might think outsiders of other religions can see the overall picture better than the insiders, one should also consider becoming more of an insider to see the picture from within. Otherwise, one will have an incomplete vision of the whole picture. Just as those of a religion should respect and never disparage those of other religions, to "force" the assumed oneness of all religions upon anyone is to disparage all religions themselves, as this corrupts their original teachings, which have painstakingly evolved to be self-contained paths to their respective spiritual goals. Of course, whether the paths work or not, and whether the goals are true or not is another issue altogether, subject to debate. However, since religions exist to benefit humankind, may all religions co-exist harmoniously in the light of true understanding!

- Shen Shi'an
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~peace~
 
#12
^ Thats all well and good, but I wasnt suggesting they are the same. We havent even really established any common values... but if everyone is happier disagreeing and insulting each other and their beliefs and opinions, that is ok with me...
 
#13
Khaled said that religion is supposed to promote spiritual growth, but what is spiritual growth? How could we define it? Does a Christian seek the same type of spiritual growth as a Buddhist, or are we dealing with two different beats?
 

The.Menace

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#15
Amara said:
^ Thats all well and good, but I wasnt suggesting they are the same. We havent even really established any common values... but if everyone is happier disagreeing and insulting each other and their beliefs and opinions, that is ok with me...
You don't listen to Rukas and myself, do you?
 
#16
Jurhum said:
Are you asking about the three monotheistic religions, Islam, Christianity and Judaism? Or are you asking about all religions?
From Allah to Eros... whatever you like.

The.Menace said:
You don't listen to Rukas and myself, do you?
Not if I can avoid it. Mwahaha. No seriously, what you mean?
 

Jurhum

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#17
Amara said:
One person, said something like this: "it is about peace, brotherhood and equality."
"Oh mankind! We created you from a single pair of a male and a female, and made you into nations and tribes, so that you may know each other (not that ye may despise each other). Verily the most honoured among you in the sight of Allah is (he who is) the most righteous of you. And Allah has full knowledge and is well acquainted (with all things)."

Rukas said:
Well Judaism, Christianity, and Islam are monotheistic religions and both believe in one God. But I think you mean values, rather then what they believe to be true.

Really the three are quite similar, they all believe that God created us to be the highest form of life on earth, in his image, and he created us with free will so we are capable of doing good and evil.

Most importantly, and I think most related to your intent for this thread, all three religions believe that faith is to be shown by action through the way we treat others, and concern for their well being, and the love we show one another, as well as social and personal ethics.

From a Christian point of view (I'll let the Muslims and Jews quote their own scripture), Jesus fundementaly and straight forwardly said "Do unto others as you would have them do onto you." So basically, treat others with the respect that you would like to be treated.
Hey a post both of us do agree on. I never knew this would ever happen. :p Except for one thing, Muslims don't believe we are created in God's image. Just a clarification.

Basically, what Rukas said. Faith is to be displayed through good actions.

Just like this verse,
Your Lord has commanded that you worship none but Him, and that you be kind to your parents. If one of them or both of them reach old age with you, do not say to them a word of disrespect, or scold them, but say a generous word to them. And act humbly to them in mercy, and say, “My Lord, have mercy on them, since they cared for me when I was small [young].”
Another quote of our Prophet Muhammad (SAW), "A Muslim is not a true Believer until he wants for his brother [sister] what he wants for himself."

Also, similar to Rukas' quote of Jesus, Prophet Muhammad (SAW), "Do unto all men as you would wish to have done unto you, and reject for others what you would reject for yourselves."

It seems most religions share this point.

"The Christian Scripture reads, "Therefore all things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you, do ye even so to them; for this is the law and the prophets" (Matthew 7:12, King James version of the New Testament).

And the Jewish Scripture reads, "What is hurtful to yourself, do not do to your fellow man. That which is hurtful to thee, do not to thy neighbor" (Hillel).

In Hinduism, we find, "Treat others as thou wouldst thyself be treated. Do nothing to thy neighbor which, hereafter, thou wouldst not have thy neighbor do to thee" (Mahabharata).

In Buddhism, it is believed, "Hurt not others with that which pains yourself" (Chammapada).

And:

Confucianism: "What you do not yourself desire, do not put before others" (Analects 15:23).

Zoroastrianism: "Whatever is disagreeable to yourself, do not do unto others" (Shayast-na-Shayast 13:29).

Jainism: "A man should wander about treating all creatures as he himself would be treated" (Sutrakritanga 1:11:33)."

Found this info on a site I was looking at.
I think the problem to our disagreement lies within the followers of religions rather than in religions themselves. Which is really sad.

An example, how some people on this board try so hard to bash a religion without reason. It saddens me, really.
 
#18
^ Nice. Thats the kind of response I was after. Thanks for finding quotes.

Jurhum said:
I think the problem to our disagreement lies within the followers of religions rather than in religions themselves. Which is really sad.

An example, how some people on this board try so hard to bash a religion without reason. It saddens me, really.
Yeah I guess that is why I wanted to point out that there are similar values, so that it could also be seen that the problem is not with religion itself, but people. Which essentially makes no sense as indicated by the sources as the main religions teach one important theme - respect toward others. Yet it is so difficult to implement in practice.
 
#19
That's something I find strange about religion. Do people really need the threat of being punished by a Supreme Being to make them respect others? I would have thought respect for others was a naturally and obviously positive idea, something (almost) everyone would aspire to.
 
#20
Illuminattile said:
That's something I find strange about religion. Do people really need the threat of being punished by a Supreme Being to make them respect others? I would have thought respect for others was a naturally and obviously positive idea, something (almost) everyone would aspire to.
Goes back to debates in regard to the state of nature.. are we naturally peaceful or conflictual? Do we need a method of social control (arguably a purpose religion serves) to over-ride our natural instincts to disrespect others in the competitive, anarchic environment? I too would have thought it would be natural and obvious... or just common sense... that respect and tolerance would be a trait we are naturally endowed with (those that arent being an exception to the norm). Perhaps having a mind built on such principles is the real exception... (or at least the result of many years of social engineering).
 

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