should we attempt to create LIFE on Mars?

Butt Rubber

More arrogant than SicC
#1
Greenhouse gases could breathe life into Mars
17:49 04 February 2005

Pumping greenhouse gases into the Martian atmosphere over hundreds or even thousands of years could warm the frozen planet enough to sustain life, according to new research.

Synthetic fluorine-based gases could produce global warming on Mars while also creating an atmosphere conducive to life, say scientists at the NASA Ames Research Centre, California, US.

Conditions on Mars are currently inhospitable for advanced life. Temperatures on the Red Planet currently dip down to -120°C at night near the poles. And the atmospheric pressure on Mars is much less than on Earth as its atmosphere is thinner and its gravity lower.

In order to support life, scientists have proposed transforming Mars into an Earth-like planet in a process called terraforming. And a crucial component of this would be to warm up the planet.

The study found four fluorine-based gases that could be made of elements abundant on the Martian surface. Fluorine excels at absorbing thermal energy. In addition, the gas does not destroy ozone, unlike the greenhouse gases bromine and chlorine.


Runaway effects

Using computer models, researchers found that a gas called octafluoropropane (C3F8) produced the greatest warming in their study. The gas also worked well when mixed with other gases.

Adding this gas so that its concentration in the Martian air was 300 parts per million could spark a runaway greenhouse effect by evaporating the polar ice caps, which are composed of carbon dioxide. That extra CO2 - a greenhouse gas itself - would lead to even more melting and warming. This could help thicken the Martian atmosphere and increase atmospheric pressure.

But this amount represents 25,700 times Earth's annual production of fluorine- and carbon-based gases.


Cosmic vandalism

Some of the competing alternatives to adding gas to the planet would be to sprinkle sunlight-absorbing dust on the poles to try to melt the ice caps, or putting large mirrors into orbit to reflect sunlight onto the surface. But the Ames scientists said adding gas would be more effective than these options.

"Bringing life to Mars and studying its growth would contribute to our understanding of evolution, and the ability of life to adapt and proliferate on other worlds," says Margarita Marinova, the study's lead author.

But terraforming has many critics who debate the ethics of altering another planet. "In principle, it's something which is possible but which I would not advocate," says Andrew Coates at the University College London, UK. He works on the Mars Express spacecraft's ASPERA instrument, which analyses the interaction between the solar wind and Mars's atmosphere. "It's the ultimate in cosmic vandalism; at least until we completely understand the conditions for past or present life on Mars, and we are 100% sure that none is there now."

"These are 20th-century ideas on how to approach a late 21st-century, early 22nd-century problem," says Robert Zubrin, president of the Mars Society in Colorado, US. The new study simply shows that warming Mars in this way might be possible, he says.


http://www.newscientist.com/article.ns?id=dn6973
 
#3
The.Menace said:
No, we should take all this money and stopp the poverty in the streets in first place.
True, why not sort out are own planet before we start to create life on others. Also how much would it costs to make Mars habitable for Humans. I think in theory it makes sense but in reality it will be too difficult and expensive.
 
#8
The.Menace said:
No, we should take all this money and stopp the poverty in the streets in first place.
exactly, they want to worry about other planets when ours is going down the fucking garbage... fix all the bullshit countries are doing here on earth first, or better yet lets get rid of these countries who all they want is money and power, without any worry about what consecuenses their dumbass actions cause.
 

Butt Rubber

More arrogant than SicC
#9
I can't believe you guys are against this

there is no way to fix poverty, we've tried that before, and people will just corrupt the welfare system

you need to explore other options (inhabiting mars) and this can help us out come 1000 years from now and Earth is done with

the best society has to offer will be selected, and all the gutter trash people get left behind. win-win situation
 

The.Menace

Well-Known Member
Staff member
#11
I can't believe you guys are against this

there is no way to fix poverty, we've tried that before, and people will just corrupt the welfare system
Please tell me, did the US try to stop the poverty? Did they ever really tried to have a social system so people don't have to sleep on the streets? Did they ever introduce a health care system where anyone, not only the rich, can get the medicin they need? No I don't see it that way, esp not in the US. There'll always be poverty in terms of a difference between one man and the next one, but what you can do is raise the level the poorest guy has to live on. It happens outside the US, it's still a far way to go and not perfect in Europe for example, but .... it's just way better the in the US. And why is it this way? cause in the US noone wants to take care about those topics, at least not the ones that make the decicions (elite). Anyway, no u never tried to fix poverty.
 

Flipmo

VIP Member
Staff member
#12
I think they're enough problems on our planet, we don't have to start fucking up on another one. I swear us humans are like parasites.
 

Kareem

Active Member
#14
inhabit mars? why so we can jack up the atmosphere like we have here on earth? i can think of better ways to spend that money
 

Bina

New Member
#16
The.Menace said:
No, we should take all this money and stopp the poverty in the streets in first place.
Damn right!

If u think of all the money that's gona go into that- including the research and resources- that money could go towards poverty.

Look at the whole mess our world is in now- people killing each other, countries wanting to go to wars... Having another world is not gona fix the problem, its gona create more of a problem, just on another planet.

Oh well, i wont be here to see it happen- so f it!
 
#18
Let's just live on the planet we were made on. It's the stupid human curiousity thats gon fuck with mother nature and break & bend rules of life and kill things. Were never gon live on Mars.. these are excuses to take money and put it into works we are not told about. Why not use that money to help the sick & help the poor? Why not use it for medication, tryn to come up wit cures. Or build more homes, or come up with stuff to end pollution n such. Everything made by a human has a function & a purpose to serve to balance this world. To dispose of humans and to help humans..
 

Butt Rubber

More arrogant than SicC
#20
DONDI said:
I don't see why we shouldn't that would be another step forward.
:thumb: and we can leave all the humaniterians in this post behind on planet earth so they can fall victem of nuclear holocausts and tsunami's
 

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