Should people be encouraged to vote?
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i dont think it is. those are usually the people you dont want voting, the ones who vote based on what the attack ads say and have no clue about anyone that is running for office. they are the ones likely to vote by an image or how their hair is. they should be encouraging people to get informed about the people running.
any thoughts on the elections?
any thoughts on the elections?
If we are to be honest, politically, we have to realize that there is no difference between Republicans and Democrats. We must stop this game. Democrats don’t exist anymore. They are liars. They are pathological liars. We know this, if we’re honest about it. But then again, it’s hard to be honest if you’re part of a political agenda.
All of it is an illusion that one group is going to defend your rights and another group isn’t. At the end of the day, all of them signed the Patriot Act. And both groups have bankrupted our society. One has not more than the other. People are going hungry and losing their homes and yet we don't change the system that's corrupt and broken. And it’s corrupt and broken because both parties equally did it.
When are we going to allow ourselves to understand that those who need power and control over others, those who are so insecure that they need to see themselves in the news, are not the people we should ever give power to? Because when you give an insensitive, unspiritual and callous person power, how do you expect them to use it? Am I surprised we're some $8.5 trillion in debt? No. Am I surprised we have no exit strategy for Iraq? No.
The whole paradigm is wrong. How people get elected to office is wrong. The corruption of the political system is wrong. We do not have a democracy in America--we have a lottery. And it's only open for the rich and powerful to play. If you doubt me, show me the mailman or baker or auto mechanic who ran for President and won, or ran for Mayor and won. $700 million spent in the last election by two people! As if these were the only two people who could govern. Well, who gave them $700 million? People who wanted to be able to use their power to influence choices that were important to their companies and individual positions.
I believe that for the next fifty years anyone with an income over $200,000 should be barred from running for office. We should now allow the average person, the poor and middle class, to have a chance to actually be in a position to make decisions over the fate of the planet and our lives and societies. Because who better to understand what it means to live in a crumbling infrastructure than the people who live there? None of us are stupid enough to think that the rich and powerful people who are now in office actually care about us as human beings. They don't live with average people, they don't hang out with average people--until it's election time then they go out and have a hamburger they don't like with the common folk.
The reality is neither party is different. I don't buy the lies.
All of it is an illusion that one group is going to defend your rights and another group isn’t. At the end of the day, all of them signed the Patriot Act. And both groups have bankrupted our society. One has not more than the other. People are going hungry and losing their homes and yet we don't change the system that's corrupt and broken. And it’s corrupt and broken because both parties equally did it.
When are we going to allow ourselves to understand that those who need power and control over others, those who are so insecure that they need to see themselves in the news, are not the people we should ever give power to? Because when you give an insensitive, unspiritual and callous person power, how do you expect them to use it? Am I surprised we're some $8.5 trillion in debt? No. Am I surprised we have no exit strategy for Iraq? No.
The whole paradigm is wrong. How people get elected to office is wrong. The corruption of the political system is wrong. We do not have a democracy in America--we have a lottery. And it's only open for the rich and powerful to play. If you doubt me, show me the mailman or baker or auto mechanic who ran for President and won, or ran for Mayor and won. $700 million spent in the last election by two people! As if these were the only two people who could govern. Well, who gave them $700 million? People who wanted to be able to use their power to influence choices that were important to their companies and individual positions.
I believe that for the next fifty years anyone with an income over $200,000 should be barred from running for office. We should now allow the average person, the poor and middle class, to have a chance to actually be in a position to make decisions over the fate of the planet and our lives and societies. Because who better to understand what it means to live in a crumbling infrastructure than the people who live there? None of us are stupid enough to think that the rich and powerful people who are now in office actually care about us as human beings. They don't live with average people, they don't hang out with average people--until it's election time then they go out and have a hamburger they don't like with the common folk.
The reality is neither party is different. I don't buy the lies.
i agree with much of what you said, but i didnt mean the elections as a whole i just ment this years elections. lol, no you did make some good points and i couldnt agree more on most of them. it would be nice to see the average joe run for office and win. it would be nice to restrict people with money to throw away from running, but it wouldnt be america if we did that.
i wish we had a new party that actually got attention and spoke for the average american. it could happen over time if it was a grassroots thing
i wish we had a new party that actually got attention and spoke for the average american. it could happen over time if it was a grassroots thing
I do not vote but i would vote for any party in this counrty ( U.K. ) Who would do what i have put below and bet my life the majority of this country will follow .
1 - Ripp up that human rights bill . One of the biggest mistakes this country ever made .
2 - Halt Immigration , Its a fucking joke these people get let in and get everything given on a plate for them . Has anyone been to parts of London recently .
3 - Clamp down on Terror . Stop these evil bastard clerics ranting and calling for death on our streets . Zero tolerance accross the board and more power to the police .
4 - Tell the Muslim society or any other religion that they are in the United Kingdom and are not in a muslim state that if you do not like it here or cannot intergrate into are civilised way of life your welcome to go and live somewhere else . Not pussey foot around and not want to upset these people . Fuck em .
5 - Get tough on juvinile crime . Asbos are a joke and like a badge of honour to these little bastards .
6 - And this makes my blood boil - Burning of the national flag . Anyone caught doing this - deport them , not jail but out you go
I could go on all night but one more i Feel that needs saying is
National pride - This country is so worried about upseting minoritys and religious beliefs that its almost embarrasing , political correctnes gone mad .
For example - Not being able to fly the national flag in case it upsets minoritys . Fucking outrageous .
A bourgh council not having a traditional bonfire on guy fawkes night
Instead they burn a wooden bengal tiger because of the large number of indian people in the area ?? I can just see on thanksgiving America holding prayers and wearing bharkas or The muslim society fasting whilst singing Dixie and flying the red white and blue . Pathetic .
A christian lady not allowed to wear a cross to work in a christian society in case it offends ethnic minoritys when all this row in the media is going on about the Muslim woman wearing there religious dress .
Its a fucking joke , This counrty is going down the pan . My blood boils when i think of this time of year to all those thousands of lives lost and all those brave people killed in the two world wars to keep this country great and free from invasion when now only a few generations later this goverment is letting invasion happen legaly .
Vote labour , fuck off , People are now in many areas voting Bnp and i dont agree with this but i certinaly canunderstand why they are .
1 - Ripp up that human rights bill . One of the biggest mistakes this country ever made .
2 - Halt Immigration , Its a fucking joke these people get let in and get everything given on a plate for them . Has anyone been to parts of London recently .
3 - Clamp down on Terror . Stop these evil bastard clerics ranting and calling for death on our streets . Zero tolerance accross the board and more power to the police .
4 - Tell the Muslim society or any other religion that they are in the United Kingdom and are not in a muslim state that if you do not like it here or cannot intergrate into are civilised way of life your welcome to go and live somewhere else . Not pussey foot around and not want to upset these people . Fuck em .
5 - Get tough on juvinile crime . Asbos are a joke and like a badge of honour to these little bastards .
6 - And this makes my blood boil - Burning of the national flag . Anyone caught doing this - deport them , not jail but out you go
I could go on all night but one more i Feel that needs saying is
National pride - This country is so worried about upseting minoritys and religious beliefs that its almost embarrasing , political correctnes gone mad .
For example - Not being able to fly the national flag in case it upsets minoritys . Fucking outrageous .
A bourgh council not having a traditional bonfire on guy fawkes night
Instead they burn a wooden bengal tiger because of the large number of indian people in the area ?? I can just see on thanksgiving America holding prayers and wearing bharkas or The muslim society fasting whilst singing Dixie and flying the red white and blue . Pathetic .
A christian lady not allowed to wear a cross to work in a christian society in case it offends ethnic minoritys when all this row in the media is going on about the Muslim woman wearing there religious dress .
Its a fucking joke , This counrty is going down the pan . My blood boils when i think of this time of year to all those thousands of lives lost and all those brave people killed in the two world wars to keep this country great and free from invasion when now only a few generations later this goverment is letting invasion happen legaly .
Vote labour , fuck off , People are now in many areas voting Bnp and i dont agree with this but i certinaly canunderstand why they are .
Yes people should be encouraged to vote, if you want your say in government either run for office or vote for who best represents you.. I hate when people bitch whats wrong with society when they don't even vote to try and make a change. you don't vote? you have no right in what goes on in the government.
EDIT:
I work for a democratic organization, and believe me both Republicans and Democrats waste so much damn money on those negative ads that no one believes... The successful way to do is to promote what you stand for..
I dislike people that vote straight one party for no reason, its so dumb.... just cuz they have the label of the party you support doesnt mean they support you on all issues... I'm mainly a democrat and i voted for mostly democrats, but i voted for 3 republicans i believe in this years midterm elections...
EDIT:
I work for a democratic organization, and believe me both Republicans and Democrats waste so much damn money on those negative ads that no one believes... The successful way to do is to promote what you stand for..
I dislike people that vote straight one party for no reason, its so dumb.... just cuz they have the label of the party you support doesnt mean they support you on all issues... I'm mainly a democrat and i voted for mostly democrats, but i voted for 3 republicans i believe in this years midterm elections...
You dont agree or see where im coming from with my points , trust me this country is going to get a lot worse in january and when it starts to affect you will you may start to worry . Im a plumber who re-trained having left the army , i have spent five years training through my apprentiship and college to earn a good living to see polish immagrents walk in , given a house and free health care and benifits they have put no money towards , who have driven the wages down to the point where its putting people out of work whilst many are still claiming benifits , im lucky to have work but know many who havent . Dont come to me with your remarks like you know what your talking about maybe when your paper round starts to get taxed to fuck like the rest of us to pay for these scroungers youll realise . There are British people out there who cannot get support from this wank goverment because of Immagrents and scroungers who then see in the paper radical muslim preachers calling for blood on these streets all the while living of benifits for years and whilst in prison buy a quarter of a million pound house in cash !!
Get the fuck out of here !!! Trust me ill vote bnp in an instant if it means this country gets sorted out and when your old enough to vote son you can make your choice too .
Get the fuck out of here !!! Trust me ill vote bnp in an instant if it means this country gets sorted out and when your old enough to vote son you can make your choice too .
I see your little dig here but trust me in a year or so when i have all my qualifications when im corgi registered ill be raking it in and will be earning easily the corperate wages your talking about , Thats why i choose this profesion when i left the army , going into computers or the like , corperate jobs as you say would take years before i earnt good cash , im no doctor but am no fool, ask anyone in the u.k they will tell you how much gas boilers and central heating systems are to install . And believe me its a very tough course 100 per cent to pass . Im lucky as i can affored the £ 2,000 for the corgi course through savings to better myself but what about people who cant . But away from your little dig its not just jobs its health care , housing , i know a lady who has left her violent husband and is in a sheltered home but cannot get a house for her and her kids because of the influx of imagrents who are on the list above her . fucking joke .
I can see your not from the u.k. so realy you have no argument here , but its going to affect everyone and soon . Ask your pal Illuminattile if he will get a state pension when he is old enough . Or if taxes wont be going up to pay for these scroungers You dont know what your on about but ill take it your just sticking up for your buddy .
I can see your not from the u.k. so realy you have no argument here , but its going to affect everyone and soon . Ask your pal Illuminattile if he will get a state pension when he is old enough . Or if taxes wont be going up to pay for these scroungers You dont know what your on about but ill take it your just sticking up for your buddy .
That's simply not true. In elections, a strong majority of voters are voting AGAINST Candidate A when they vote for Candidate B.
Do you think the Democrats took both houses of Congress because voters identified with them? Of course not, voters simply voted the GOP majorities out because they had been inept and the reasons were corruption and Iraq. I voted almost straight party Democrat and I don't think they'll do any better on those two issues, and they certainly didn't have any grand Iraq policy to run on. (I do think they'll be much better for every social domestic issue though)
Do you think the Democrats took both houses of Congress because voters identified with them? Of course not, voters simply voted the GOP majorities out because they had been inept and the reasons were corruption and Iraq. I voted almost straight party Democrat and I don't think they'll do any better on those two issues, and they certainly didn't have any grand Iraq policy to run on. (I do think they'll be much better for every social domestic issue though)
No, I dont think uninformed people should have to vote. I come from a country where voting is compulsory and that seems to violate what I consider democracy to be. Our elections and therefore our politics are determined by people who neither care nor understand the implications of their vote. So I start to question, are my politicians there because they deserve to be, because their policies are strong and in the best interests of the nation - or perhaps they merely slandered their competition enough, had the nicest posters or confused the uninformed voter enough that they tick their box.
Ultimately, we shouldnt encourage that these people vote but rather encourage them to take a greater interest in politics, to become informed and then vote. With such a society you would see politics and politicians change for the better because they would have to be more accountable, develop more challenging policies and deliver them more readily.
Ultimately, we shouldnt encourage that these people vote but rather encourage them to take a greater interest in politics, to become informed and then vote. With such a society you would see politics and politicians change for the better because they would have to be more accountable, develop more challenging policies and deliver them more readily.
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