Should Dictators be put to death?
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In that case those that helped empower and support them should also face some charges. Uh-o Rummy look out 
Everyone forgets that as evil as this man is/was the U.S. supported and supplied him with the chemicals to make such attacks no one said shit then, but almost 20 years later wanna just single him out as the main proprietor in these cases. I agree with the Shiite who said they should wait at least 3 years before carrying out his execution, as doing so now will only escalate the violence that already plagues Iraq.
Everyone forgets that as evil as this man is/was the U.S. supported and supplied him with the chemicals to make such attacks no one said shit then, but almost 20 years later wanna just single him out as the main proprietor in these cases. I agree with the Shiite who said they should wait at least 3 years before carrying out his execution, as doing so now will only escalate the violence that already plagues Iraq.
What justice?
A man that's already locked up for life isn't justice?
I don't think that capital punishment is a better deterrent of genocide than life imprisonment. I dislike the fact that the death penalty is nothing more than an example of "an eye for an eye". So, when we go with capital punishment, we're not showing we're any better than the person we execute.
A man that's already locked up for life isn't justice?
I don't think that capital punishment is a better deterrent of genocide than life imprisonment. I dislike the fact that the death penalty is nothing more than an example of "an eye for an eye". So, when we go with capital punishment, we're not showing we're any better than the person we execute.
Kareem said:
In that case those that helped empower and support them should also face some charges. Uh-o Rummy look out
The US wasn't alone in selling weapons to Iraq, Canada, Italy, UK, France and Spain also sold chemical technology to Iraq while the Soviet Union, China, Western Germany and France also sold them billions of dollars worth of weaponry. It wasn't the US who ordered the killing of the kurds, it was Saddam. It wasn't the US who shot scud missiles filled with chemicals into Iran, it was Saddam. If they're dead in a 5 year period I'm all for it.
I'm sure all the victims would rather see Saddam die a cruel death (hanging is actually VERY cruel, the person usually stays alive after being dropped and suffocates, not a nice way to go) than sitting in a cell. HE GETS FREE DORITOS MAN!
They're not putting him to death as a deterrent for genocide, they're putting him to death for the death of thousands of people.
They're not putting him to death as a deterrent for genocide, they're putting him to death for the death of thousands of people.
Are you saying that the victims will find joy in seeing a man fight for his last breath after being hung?
Am I the only one that sees something wrong with this?
What I meant by that statement is that there isn't any evidence that capital punishment scares away others from committing mass genocide and such.
Plus, a sociopath that's able to kill thousands of people sure wouldn't mind being killed himself, as he will see himself dying a martyr's death.
Am I the only one that sees something wrong with this?
What I meant by that statement is that there isn't any evidence that capital punishment scares away others from committing mass genocide and such.
Plus, a sociopath that's able to kill thousands of people sure wouldn't mind being killed himself, as he will see himself dying a martyr's death.
And having a person sit in a cell and recieving better treatment than poor iraqis is justice? He gets free healthcare and food everyday while poor iraqis don't even have water. Is that justice?
And how does life imprisonment deter genocide? There have been many people who were both imprisoned for life and others executed for crimes against humanity and genocide, but it still goes on in the world.
Usually they'd rather die on their own terms. Look at the Nuremburg trials, how many were smiling and happy that they were going to be hanged?. Hermann Göring even committed suicide before his execution.
And how does life imprisonment deter genocide? There have been many people who were both imprisoned for life and others executed for crimes against humanity and genocide, but it still goes on in the world.
Usually they'd rather die on their own terms. Look at the Nuremburg trials, how many were smiling and happy that they were going to be hanged?. Hermann Göring even committed suicide before his execution.
Yes I did. How will having Saddam in a cell getting better treatment than Iraqis serve as justice to the families? What kind of message does that give to people? They do a crime, they get a better life.
Ya, and like i said in my earlier post, the death penalty for Saddam isn't being used as a deterant.
Ya, and like i said in my earlier post, the death penalty for Saddam isn't being used as a deterant.
..i say they let him choose, and do the opposite of what he wants. And plus If he were to spend life in an Iraqi Jail, I dont think he'd have too great of a life, so a life sentence in an Iraqi Jail with no special treatment what so ever would be hell for him. But then again Iraqi jails will probably be filled with dumbasses who are still loyal to Sadaam.
... But I've said this many times before, if people want justice, they should treat everyone the same, based on the crimes they commit NOT based on what country they're from or what religion they belong to and who they are allies with. Justice should be the same for all human beings. My biggest citicism of the west and its fight for democracy and freedom in the middle east is they have too many double standards.. For example Saudi Arabia is FAR from a democratic nation. Saudi's still live under the Royal family, and foreigners are still treated like shit... And to be fair when talking about US allies... Israel is not much better and neither is Pakistan or India.
~peace
... But I've said this many times before, if people want justice, they should treat everyone the same, based on the crimes they commit NOT based on what country they're from or what religion they belong to and who they are allies with. Justice should be the same for all human beings. My biggest citicism of the west and its fight for democracy and freedom in the middle east is they have too many double standards.. For example Saudi Arabia is FAR from a democratic nation. Saudi's still live under the Royal family, and foreigners are still treated like shit... And to be fair when talking about US allies... Israel is not much better and neither is Pakistan or India.
~peace
I complety agree with Sofi here, also with his other posts. :thumb:
I dunno why people think to execute someone is justice... Who started all this? Some might say it's "eye for an eye" but that's bullshit, cause you didn't read the bible correctly if you kill a man and refer to God while doin so. If you claim to be religious and are for death penatly (like GWBush), you are a liar or stupid.
How come some can be so sure that we as humans have the right to speak about justice and punishment? I think we don't know enough to actual be 100% of who deserves what. We still need jails, no doubt, but I rather see it this way - in order to protect the majority of people, some have to be kept away - like murderers or people like sadam, cause they are a danger. But I wouldn't claim that I know how much punishment exactly one action deserves. Who can decide what actions deserve death penalty? Ya'all are human, only God can really judge me. Therefore I just think it's wrong for another human beeing - the judge - to be able 2 decide if another human beeing deserves to live or not.
I dunno why people think to execute someone is justice... Who started all this? Some might say it's "eye for an eye" but that's bullshit, cause you didn't read the bible correctly if you kill a man and refer to God while doin so. If you claim to be religious and are for death penatly (like GWBush), you are a liar or stupid.
How come some can be so sure that we as humans have the right to speak about justice and punishment? I think we don't know enough to actual be 100% of who deserves what. We still need jails, no doubt, but I rather see it this way - in order to protect the majority of people, some have to be kept away - like murderers or people like sadam, cause they are a danger. But I wouldn't claim that I know how much punishment exactly one action deserves. Who can decide what actions deserve death penalty? Ya'all are human, only God can really judge me. Therefore I just think it's wrong for another human beeing - the judge - to be able 2 decide if another human beeing deserves to live or not.
We are humans. We can judge too, some better than other people.
He probably killed (not directly) hundreds of people. Of course he deserves to die. I dont know how he is treated in jail but just the thought of the opportunity of him having a better life in jail than any of his victims (or family members) outside, is ludicrous. I can somehow understand why people want him to be dead.
Plus, bringing God into this discussion makes everything even more difficult.
He probably killed (not directly) hundreds of people. Of course he deserves to die. I dont know how he is treated in jail but just the thought of the opportunity of him having a better life in jail than any of his victims (or family members) outside, is ludicrous. I can somehow understand why people want him to be dead.
Plus, bringing God into this discussion makes everything even more difficult.
Yet its perfectly normal for god to tell us to stone certain people to death because they worked on the sabbath, committed adultery or are blasphemous.
"You shall stone him to death, because he tried to turn you away from the Lord your God, who brought you out of Egypt out of the land or slavery." —Deuteronomy (13:10)
"You shall stone him to death, because he tried to turn you away from the Lord your God, who brought you out of Egypt out of the land or slavery." —Deuteronomy (13:10)
I'm sure everyone knows by now that Saddam is "supposed to" get hanged soon. Isn't that what started this whole thread?
Saddam getting hanged isn't fair, even for him, he doesn't deserve it. But I think we shouldn't be so lightly with him and just leave it all to Karma for his punishment since Karma does occour at strange times in ones life, it might take 10 - 20 years for his punishment.
I think he should be disciplined and kept in a security facility with special care. Maybe he never got the Love he wanted from his parents when he was a child and that's why he became the way that he did (not saying that it's right to treat people the way he did tho). We should all look at this with an open mind and help him instead of trying to bring back old ways of exacution.
Saddam getting hanged isn't fair, even for him, he doesn't deserve it. But I think we shouldn't be so lightly with him and just leave it all to Karma for his punishment since Karma does occour at strange times in ones life, it might take 10 - 20 years for his punishment.
I think he should be disciplined and kept in a security facility with special care. Maybe he never got the Love he wanted from his parents when he was a child and that's why he became the way that he did (not saying that it's right to treat people the way he did tho). We should all look at this with an open mind and help him instead of trying to bring back old ways of exacution.
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