segregating black children in schools

Bina

New Member
#1
Its been in the news this week, in Britain, they want black children to be separated from other children in schools, because apparently, they are not learning as well as the other ethnic minorities.

Surely, this is going backwards into history, and goes against equal opportunities i think. Its gona cause more problems, and more racial hatred on both sides. What do u guys think about it.
 
#3
bbc.co.uk said:
Black boys separate classes plan

Black boys' exam results are below average

Black boys may have to be separated from classmates to help improve school performance, the head of the Commission for Racial Equality has suggested.
Trevor Phillips also suggested black fathers not living with their sons should be denied access if they refused to attend parents' evenings.

But teachers have warned the ideas could fall foul of anti-racism laws.

Last year 36% of Black Caribbean pupils in England got five or more C-grades at GCSE. The national average is 52%.

'Embrace the unpalatable'

Mr Phillips said a lack of self-esteem and positive role models for black boys also compounded the problem, as well as an attitude that being clever is not cool.

"If the only way to break through the wall of attitude that surrounds black boys is to teach them separately in some classes, then we should be ready for that," he said.

It may be necessary to "embrace some new if unpalatable ideas both at home and at school" to avoid the mistakes of the past 40 years, Mr Phillips said.

"If they can't be bothered to turn up for parents' evening, should they expect automatic access to their sons?"

Trevor Phillips


Raising black performance

"A tough new strategy would compel black fathers to be responsible fathers.

"If they can't be bothered to turn up for parents' evening, should they expect automatic access to their sons?"

He also called for more male black teachers, tempting them with extra cash if necessary.

Mr Phillips' comments were not aimed at black girls - GCSE results in England show that "black African" girls are scoring higher grades than "white British" boys.

'Counter-productive'

Martin Ward, deputy general secretary of the Secondary Heads Association, told The Times: "Clearly there is scope for schools to help all children who are doing badly.

"But to single out black children for special treatment could be counter-productive and even illegal."

Chris Keates, general secretary of the National Association of Schoolmasters and Union of Women Teachers, also rejected segregation.

"This has been an area of concern for people in education for a long time and I understand (Mr Phillips') motivation and welcome his interest.

"But I think with things like this that it needs to be left to the professional judgement of schools."

Shahid Malik, chairman of the Labour Party's ethnic minority forum and a former CRE commissioner, said that there was scope within the existing equality laws for such "positive action".

He said he thought Mr Phillips comments had been taken slightly out of context, but that "many African-Caribbean people would feel it was a debate whose time had come".

'Demonised for failure'

Simon Woolley, co-ordinator of Operation Black Vote, said the issue was "complex" - citing social factors such as poor housing and fractured family life.

"I would prefer to focus on these things first before we start blaming the victims - and demonise them for their failure.

"However, it is true that the bling-bling and gangster rap culture does not help."

Former chief inspector of schools, Chris Woodhead, told BBC News he was sceptical and believed shortcomings in schools were down to a failure to teach literacy, a failure of expectation and a failure to develop an appropriate vocational curriculum.

"I am not sure myself that dividing up the children, teaching black boys separately, is the answer," he said.

"If it's a scheme to help their education then how can it be racist?"

James Bucknall, Scotland

In filming for BBC's Inside Out programme, Mr Phillips returned to his old school in Wood Green, north London.

He described himself as "one of the few lucky ones" to escape the fate of most of his generation.

Mr Phillips, who received an OBE in 1999, has made controversial statements in the past.

Last October he wrote an article which seemed to suggest he believed policemen in general are racist - an allegation he denied.
It's a ridiculous idea, in my opinion. It's been rejected by the government, thankfully.
 
#4
It's a ridiculous idea, in my opinion. It's been rejected by the government, thankfully.
good and besides i dont think i would be as happy if they all had to leave, and its too racial then if that was the case guys should be seperated from girls...and that aint a option either.
 
#7
im suprised this isn't in Texas or some shit...i'd expect this sort of thing from Bush....definetly didn't expect it to be about the U.K
 
#8
This isnt a mainstreem idea...its only a few who suggest it, I watched newsnight when they were discussing it...they guy was ridiculd, its nothing to do with the UK - it was only suggested in the UK
peace
MX!
 
#9
kman_69 said:
im suprised this isn't in Texas or some shit...i'd expect this sort of thing from Bush....definetly didn't expect it to be about the U.K
Apparently it's based on an American study which showed that black kids performed better when in all-black classes. I don't know anything about the study, though.
 

The.Menace

Well-Known Member
Staff member
#14
Its been in the news this week, in Britain, they want black children to be separated from other children in schools, because apparently, they are not learning as well as the other ethnic minorities.
lol, what a racist idea.....can't believe something like this is still happin in the 21 century.
 
#17
Illuminattile said:
Originally Posted by bbc.co.uk
Black boys separate classes plan

Black boys' exam results are below average

Black boys may have to be separated from classmates to help improve school performance, the head of the Commission for Racial Equality has suggested.
Trevor Phillips also suggested black fathers not living with their sons should be denied access if they refused to attend parents' evenings.


But teachers have warned the ideas could fall foul of anti-racism laws.

Last year 36% of Black Caribbean pupils in England got five or more C-grades at GCSE. The national average is 52%.

'Embrace the unpalatable'

Mr Phillips said a lack of self-esteem and positive role models for black boys also compounded the problem, as well as an attitude that being clever is not cool.

"If the only way to break through the wall of attitude that surrounds black boys is to teach them separately in some classes, then we should be ready for that," he said.

It may be necessary to "embrace some new if unpalatable ideas both at home and at school" to avoid the mistakes of the past 40 years, Mr Phillips said.

"If they can't be bothered to turn up for parents' evening, should they expect automatic access to their sons?"

Trevor Phillips


Raising black performance

"A tough new strategy would compel black fathers to be responsible fathers.

"If they can't be bothered to turn up for parents' evening, should they expect automatic access to their sons?"

He also called for more male black teachers, tempting them with extra cash if necessary.

Mr Phillips' comments were not aimed at black girls - GCSE results in England show that "black African" girls are scoring higher grades than "white British" boys.

'Counter-productive'

Martin Ward, deputy general secretary of the Secondary Heads Association, told The Times: "Clearly there is scope for schools to help all children who are doing badly.

"But to single out black children for special treatment could be counter-productive and even illegal."

Chris Keates, general secretary of the National Association of Schoolmasters and Union of Women Teachers, also rejected segregation.

"This has been an area of concern for people in education for a long time and I understand (Mr Phillips') motivation and welcome his interest.

"But I think with things like this that it needs to be left to the professional judgement of schools."

Shahid Malik, chairman of the Labour Party's ethnic minority forum and a former CRE commissioner, said that there was scope within the existing equality laws for such "positive action".

He said he thought Mr Phillips comments had been taken slightly out of context, but that "many African-Caribbean people would feel it was a debate whose time had come".

'Demonised for failure'

Simon Woolley, co-ordinator of Operation Black Vote, said the issue was "complex" - citing social factors such as poor housing and fractured family life.

"I would prefer to focus on these things first before we start blaming the victims - and demonise them for their failure.

"However, it is true that the bling-bling and gangster rap culture does not help."

Former chief inspector of schools, Chris Woodhead, told BBC News he was sceptical and believed shortcomings in schools were down to a failure to teach literacy, a failure of expectation and a failure to develop an appropriate vocational curriculum.

"I am not sure myself that dividing up the children, teaching black boys separately, is the answer," he said.

"If it's a scheme to help their education then how can it be racist?"

James Bucknall, Scotland

In filming for BBC's Inside Out programme, Mr Phillips returned to his old school in Wood Green, north London.

He described himself as "one of the few lucky ones" to escape the fate of most of his generation.

Mr Phillips, who received an OBE in 1999, has made controversial statements in the past.

Last October he wrote an article which seemed to suggest he believed policemen in general are racist - an allegation he denied.
It's a ridiculous idea, in my opinion. It's been rejected by the government, thankfully.
Well I pointed out some things that I find interesting...

You know I like it that theres people out that actually care about these kids..I don't agree with the way the man tried to help..seperating these boys from the other boys isn't going to help and is probably only going to make it worse..Imagine being singled out because of your colour and because of your grades...It already hurts when your grades suck and it can destroy you if ppl diss you cuz of your race..

I think all kids/ppl with learning problems should be treated the same and should all put together in a special class..But who doesn't ? :confused: ;) and every kid/person should be judged individually.
I think teachers should try to give these kids some more attention. I think that is the best way.

I think the comments about the fathers a bit too much...and the role models and culture too..
 

Cooper

Well-Known Member
#19
The longer I live the more I start to think I was ran over years ago and am still in a coma. This has to be some very long nightmare, because it is way too crazy to be real.

Ok. So if Christians refuse to deny their faith and take their children to be eaten by lions in Roman colloseums in order to stand up for it, they're called heroes, but if a cultist commits suicide in accordance with his beliefs he's called brainwashed. So if an Englishman makes a joke about a Chinaman it's racist, but if Chris Rock makes a joke about white guys it's "cool". If Gordon Ramsey swears like a fucker on television and then this gets reported across every tabloid newspaper in the land it's called "entertainment", but if a footballer swears during a heated match he's called a "bad example". So if someone puts a picture of a schoolgirl in a bikini on a website it's called "disgusting", but if someone puts a picture of a woman dressed as an underage schoolgirl in a magazine it's called "sexy".

So if the KKK says that black people and white people should be segregated in public arenas, schools and hospitals it's called "racism", but if a black says that black kids and white kids should be taught separately it's called "interesting".

Am I really that far removed from society? Is everyone really that insane? Are people really that hypocritical?

So someone has actually said that black children should be educated in separate classes because they're black. Who said this? The KKK? The BNP? Kilroy?

Nope. Trevor Phillips, the head of the Commission for Racial Equality. And the wierd thing is that people are actually considering it. Why? Because Trevor Phillips is a BLACK guy.

Had a white guy said this he would have been being fed through a tube for the rest of his life, because the angry mob would've broke into his house, burned his family, and beaten his body to a pathetic pulp of broken skin.

But no, this was a black guy saying it, so it's obviously acceptable. I mean he's black, so he's incapable of saying anything racist, because obviously racism only goes one way. Dipshits.

All of a sudden, news presenters are getting the first black guys they can find on London's streets and pulling them in to ask them about this "proposal". If a white guy says it it's racist bile. If a black guy says it it's a proposal.

And no one's pointing out the most obvious facts.

Sure, black males are under scoring white males at GCSE level. But that doesn't mean that it's because black people have "specific needs." How can the colour of your skin give you "specific needs" when it comes to intellectual ability? Do they need darker ink? I'm sorry, did that sound racist? Just imagine I'm a black guy saying it and it'll all be ok.

It's so fucking obvious it's unreal. All you have to do to analyse this conundrum is look around you. How many black middle-class people do you see living in the suburbs? Ok, now tell me how many white people you see living in the suburbs. Don't see it yet? Ok I'll expand.

Go to the poorest neighbourhoods of any major city. How many black kids do you see, in comparison to the suburbs? Less? More?

Yep, there's a lot more! Need me to spell it out for you?

Less black children pass exams in relation to their population because more black people live in poverty stricken areas in relation to their population. A higher percentage of black people live in poor neighbourhoods than the same percentage for white people.

It's as simple as that.

Forget race for a second, and try creating the statistics for pass rates in POOR children compared to RICH children. This isn't about race, it's about class. You can't pick out black people and give them special treatment just because they don't do as well, when the real reason they aren't passing as frequently is because of poverty, which affects just as many white kids. The thing is that there's alot more white kids in Britain to bump up the average pass rate, since way more white people live in middle-class families than black people.

So the problem here isn't about whether someone's black or white, it's about whether they're rich or poor. And why does a higher percentage of the black population than the white population live in poor areas?

Segregation. The very 1950s-style segregation that Trevor Phillips wants in our schools. Segregation that taught people that black people are different and should be treated as such. Segregation that leads to misunderstanding, false stereotyping, and racism, all of which are being exhibited by this "look after the brothers" mentality that Phillips has spouted like a fucking idiot without first considering the economic and social reasons before he jumped on the skin colour one, because he's a racist just like anyone that says public services should be segregated to help their own race.

When will people get that race means shit? That it doesn't matter if you're black, you can still be as clever as a white guy without extra chances? That being a certain race isn't a disability? That we don't have to take care of people with the same coloured skin, because IT DOESN'T MATTER.

Fuck, I'm going crazy.
 

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