Red Cross incident a hoax?

[PuffnScruff]

this is a very long read but very well put together. please read the whole thing before commenting.

there were many doctored and staged photos from the recent events in the middle east. this one breaks down the red cross ambulance incident.

http://www.zombietime.com/fraud/ambulance/

is the media gullible ?

 

[Kareem]

Well after reading that entire article and his site, this guy is obviously pro isreali, and as we've seen 99% of zionist supporters are blind an will do anything to justify what their "beloved" Israel does.Im not saying that this case of this "attacked ambulance" is true or false. After going through the rest of his site its apparent his knowledge of history is limited. For example he has a picture of a pro Palestine rally in San Fransico in this picture it shows a Palestine supporter numerous times throwing his hand up in a "nazi salute".

Sorry to break it to this guy but who says that man was using it in the nazi way? That salute is old, the nazis stole it from the romans, and its not uncommon to see it being done in the middle east, an not with a "nazi" intention, its a salute simple an plain unfortunately Hitler an his band of rejects are most famous for using it an giving it a bad name. Number two in another picture he shows a man dressed in traditional Palestinian clothes, he lables this man as "dressed up as a suicide bomber" haha funny sucide bombers tend to have an explosive belt also attached to themselves, the man in this picture isnt wearing any kind of "fake belt" to lead you to believe thats what he's supporting, which leads me to believe once again the author of this website is obviously a bigot and a diehard zionist supporter.


Now as far as his article about the ambulance an his "proof" its a hoax in some areas he makes a point in others his "facts" are a lil lacking. He has a pic of the top of the ambulance with a huge hole in it from the Israeli missle, surrounding the hole is rust, he asks if it was really done when the Leboneese say so how could it be rusted already? Easy, Israel uses D.U. rounds so do we (u.s.) I spent 5 years in the army around these rounds an their effects, it doesnt take long for somthing hit by that type of round to start to rust. Anyway its late, he makes some good points but he also misses some too. Peace

 

[Morris]

Sorry to break it to this guy but who says that man was using it in the nazi way? That salute is old, the nazis stole it from the romans, and its not uncommon to see it being done in the middle east, an not with a "nazi" intention, its a salute simple an plain unfortunately Hitler an his band of rejects are most famous for using it an giving it a bad name.

After the Nazis made the salute and goosestep famous, it clearly became known as Nazi signs. I understand what you're trying to say, and while you would technically be correct, historical context makes your argument incorrect. The swastika also predated the Nazis but has come to be known as purely a Nazi symbol. The word nigger predates slavery but it is now regarded universally as a racial slur. The use of that salute is meant to invoke Hitler's regime, which isn't surprising considering that their goals and the Nazis' goals concerning Jews are the same.

Anyway, I saw that link earlier and read it through too, but haven't seen the rest of his site (though I've seen pictures of Hezbollah members goose stepping and giving the famous Nazi salute as well).

It's rather clear to me that no missile hit that ambulance, because the thing remains intact. That site shows the remains of Hamas used cars targeted by Israeli airstrikes to drive home that very obvious point.

If this was the only instance of media manipulation over the past month, then maybe the theory would be more dubious. But we've had a number of doctored photos, journalists admitting limited access (and access completely controlled by Hezbollah at that), German video footage of rescue workers posing bodies for more pictures etc. One of the primary things an inferior armed group does in warfare is use public relations as a powerful tool, and Hezbollah did a good job of it. It's why we had Tru Principle bringing up this "ambulance attack" in every post in that other thread, despite the fact that it makes no sense whatsoever to target the Red Cross. And by the time retractions come around, the PR damage is already done.

With that said, the US is probing the Israeli use of cluster bombs, which is unconditionally outlawed in civilian zones by the Geneva Conventions, so we'll see what Israel and the probe say about that.

 

[Khaled]

if it was a hoax, the event would have been denied by the red cross.
unless you believe that Red Cross and Amnesty international are antisemites like israel is starting to claim.

the red cross stated themselves that they were being attacked by Israel.

These attempts to justify Israel's war crimes is getting pathetic.

 

[Morris]

the red cross stated themselves that they were being attacked by Israel.

And the UN Secretary General said Israel deliberately attacked a UN outpost before having any clue what actually happened.

You obviously didn't even look at the site before responding. One of the Red Cross employees said a missile came through the roof, sheared someone's leg off, and blew him back 15 to 20 feet and all he could see was smoke and fire. By simply looking at that ambulance you can tell his account of the damage is incredibly exaggerated.

 

[Tru Principle]

man...how do you respond to this when you personally are a member of the Red Cross and was there when this shit happened...I need not bother reading an article when ima member of the main base.

 

[PuffnScruff]

its not an article its a collection of evidence from many articles from many sources that support the persons claim. had you clicked the link in the first place and read through it like i asked people to do before responding you would know that tru. once again i ask that you please read the whole thing before responding then try and debunk or state reason why you think this person is correct or wrong.

 

[EDouble]

wait we got 1sthand account here, tru u were there?

 

[Sebastian]

its not an article its a collection of evidence from many articles from many sources that support the persons claim. had you clicked the link in the first place and read through it like i asked people to do before responding you would know that tru. once again i ask that you please read the whole thing before responding then try and debunk or state reason why you think this person is correct or wrong.

So if we believe Tru (saying he was there when things happened) then why should he even read an article "proving" that this incident never happened?

Or do you not believe him being there at the time?

 

[PuffnScruff]

So if we believe Tru (saying he was there when things happened) then why should he even read an article "proving" that this incident never happened?

Or do you not believe him being there at the time?

i havent said this evidence proved anything. it just raises some questions. if he doesnt want to read it then he shouldnt respond.

sorry but tru instant messages me claiming to be dante while saying very ant-semitic remarks, when i know its obviously not dante

 

[Kareem]

man...how do you respond to this when you personally are a member of the Red Cross and was there when this shit happened...I need not bother reading an article when ima member of the main base.

Because they fail too ever recognize Israel doing any wrong... ever! Tru even if you stood infront of an Israeli soldier an video taped him beating you with a lead pipe for "looking suspicious" while repeatedly verbally an physically badgering you, they would find a way to justify it. If any of you get the Documentary Channel, I encourage you to watch the program "the Other Zionists". Its about a group of Israeli women who are tired of the Palestinians human rights being violated so they do what they can to help. Excellent program although im sure some of you will try an discredit what those noble people are doing, whats that have too do with this topic? For one Israel claims "it never fires on civilians". Bullshit, an im the pope!


Second the article posted an pieced togather by the author is circumstantial evidence, it does not prove beyond a reasonable doubt theres any hoax, hell I can piece togather articles too an make 9/11 look like a hoax. the Author should have titled it his "theory". Morris you can say the ambulance drivers story is exaggerated, but how many times have you been in combat or had anyone try an blow you up, or shoot at you? I've been there an done that, maybe his story is a lil exaggerated but I dont think its purposely done, the human mind wasnt designed too be put through the trauma of war. In his situation adrenalin took over an his train of thought was most likey pushed way to the back.


Like I said in my previous post its more then likely the ambulance was hit with a D.U. round which completely explains why it looks the way it does. Later on I will try an find my pics from Iraq an show you what the inside of a vehicle looks like thats been hit by a D.U. round believe it or not its not uncommon for fabric to still be seen on seats an such. Peace

 

[Tru Principle]

Man, i'm sure this evidence is some how manufactured to make it look like the Red Cross thing is a hoax.. that's why I won't bother viewing the evidence.. I served during this crises... Red Cross is alot of things, but they're not liars... we had International Red Cross Committee members all over Lebanon... from every country... they were right there with us when we got the word... this isn't a lie.. everybody was shocked, everybody couldn't believe it... we were personally denied to leave Beirut because the Main Operations said Israel is firing at us and for our own safety we are not allowed to function in the areas that needed help the most.. however with that said, some Red Cross members risked their lives to go these areas... all they had were some old bullet proof vests and a helmet.. that's all that protected them... when the Red Cross symbols and big ass flags waving behind the ambulances should of been enough. Israel committed alot of murders in this war, it broke countless international laws... but if you wanna deny all that.. do it.. just don't try and say WE (the Lebanese Red Cross) were not attacked... I was in denial... I thought.. no this uniform protects me, but to Israel... i'm Lebanese.. hence I am a target like the thousands of civilians they killed... after all this.. what did they accomplish from a military point of view? Nothing... they thought by murdering innocent civilians and bombing village after village they can make HizbAllah lose its support... but boy were they wrong... Israel failied in all aspects, but won in one sense... they managed to put Lebanon back a couple of decades.. murder thousands of innocent people, and displace millions... Bravo Israel.


They atttacked the Red Cross, so I say boohoo to your evidence that was manufactured to look like a hoax.

 

[Tru Principle]

i havent said this evidence proved anything. it just raises some questions. if he doesnt want to read it then he shouldnt respond.

sorry but tru instant messages me claiming to be dante while saying very ant-semitic remarks, when i know its obviously not dante

For that, you are now in my retarded friends list... Ask

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I say alot of stuff on MSN, and if you wanna use that to shake my credibility... I suggest you go masturbate to a George W Bush picture.

 

[PuffnScruff]

Because they fail too ever recognize Israel doing any wrong... ever! Tru even if you stood infront of an Israeli soldier an video taped him beating you with a lead pipe for "looking suspicious" while repeatedly verbally an physically badgering you, they would find a way to justify it. If any of you get the Documentary Channel, I encourage you to watch the program "the Other Zionists". Its about a group of Israeli women who are tired of the Palestinians human rights being violated so they do what they can to help. Excellent program although im sure some of you will try an discredit what those noble people are doing, whats that have too do with this topic? For one Israel claims "it never fires on civilians". Bullshit, an im the pope!


Second the article posted an pieced togather by the author is circumstantial evidence, it does not prove beyond a reasonable doubt theres any hoax, hell I can piece togather articles too an make 9/11 look like a hoax. the Author should have titled it his "theory". Morris you can say the ambulance drivers story is exaggerated, but how many times have you been in combat or had anyone try an blow you up, or shoot at you? I've been there an done that, maybe his story is a lil exaggerated but I dont think its purposely done, the human mind wasnt designed too be put through the trauma of war. In his situation adrenalin took over an his train of thought was most likey pushed way to the back.


Like I said in my previous post its more then likely the ambulance was hit with a D.U. round which completely explains why it looks the way it does. Later on I will try an find my pics from Iraq an show you what the inside of a vehicle looks like thats been hit by a D.U. round believe it or not its not uncommon for fabric to still be seen on seats an such. Peace

see i dont disbelieve you at when you say it was hit by a d.u. round. i dont know if it was or not or what the impact of one looks like. you have never given me any reason not to believe anything you say. could a d.u. round leave the top of the ambulance looking like that? does it leave a rust look too it?

and you are right it is circumstantial evidence and can be very compared to the 9/11 hoax theories. i have done lost of research into the 9/11 hoax theories over the years and have been waiting for someone to post a loose change video again tell us all to watch it so i can spank them like a red headed step child with evidence on why the c.t.'s are wrong.

 

[PuffnScruff]

They atttacked the Red Cross, so I say boohoo to your evidence that was manufactured to look like a hoax.

how about stop being a child and read it then try and debunk it :thumb:

 

[Kareem]

see i dont disbelieve you at when you say it was hit by a d.u. round. i dont know if it was or not or what the impact of one looks like. you have never given me any reason not to believe anything you say. could a d.u. round leave the top of the ambulance looking like that? does it leave a rust look too it?

and you are right it is circumstantial evidence and can be very compared to the 9/11 hoax theories. i have done lost of research into the 9/11 hoax theories over the years and have been waiting for someone to post a loose change video again tell us all to watch it so i can spank them like a red headed step child with evidence on why the c.t.'s are wrong.

Hey Puff, im currently trying to find my pics i took while i was in Iraq of what a vechile hit by a d.u. round looks like, might take me awhile cause im sure their burried under a mountian of junk! But yes its not uncommon too have it show signs of rust in a short amount of time. As far as the melted look of the hole on top of the ambulance, yes thats also common thats why i suspect it was a d.u. round. Now there different types of d.u. rounds for different things but overall, lets say the rounds tanks use, they are designed to melt through the opposing tanks armor and incenerate inside, lemme search for those pics hopefully i can find em they give a much better description

 

[PuffnScruff]

Hey Puff, im currently trying to find my pics i took while i was in Iraq of what a vechile hit by a d.u. round looks like, might take me awhile cause im sure their burried under a mountian of junk! But yes its not uncommon too have it show signs of rust in a short amount of time. As far as the melted look of the hole on top of the ambulance, yes thats also common thats why i suspect it was a d.u. round. Now there different types of d.u. rounds for different things but overall, lets say the rounds tanks use, they are designed to melt through the opposing tanks armor and incenerate inside, lemme search for those pics hopefully i can find em they give a much better description

see this is the kind of stuff i was hoping to get out of this thread. post them up whenever you find them there is no hurry.

 

[Kareem]

Still searching for my pics, may have to call in a search an rescue squad! Im hoping to find them before this topic goes cold! Anyway i was searching around the web for the effects of d.u. and found this picture, its of a Iraqi tank hit by a d.u. round shortly after the 1st gulf war ended.

http://www.gulflink.osd.mil/du/fig9.htm

Im not trying to use this pic as one of my debating points but mearly trying to maybe show a lil bit what a hit from a d.u. round will look like, now this is a tank so its armor is alot thicker then an ambulance. As you can see yes theres some rust here an there but where's it mainly concentrated? The impact point. And i have no clue who that guy in the pic is, I just found this while searching google for answears related to d.u.! Also there were or are some u.s. soldiers who survived having their tank attacked with d.u. rounds they were victims of "friendly fire". Ok im a try finding my pics somemore, eventually i'll find em just hopefully not 2 months from now!

sorry tried to post the pic but it wont show up!

 

[Morris]

I don't understand Tru's blanket denial of the site or any of the facts when a picture of the ambulance is taken by news agencies globally and reposted on that site. It's quite obvious that the ambulance wasn't blown up and that there was no fire in that ambulance, which directly contradicts eyewitness testimony.

 

[Tru Principle]

Ima put an L O X on you