peace talks

[feichen]

so at this moment peace talks are going on between abbas and sharon. will there ever be peace or are we all just heading for... well u know the chorus.
is there a chance for peace now? ur thoughts......

 

[devils_advok8]

for the current time, yes, but the Palestinians want the whole land back, so now, it wont work on the long run

 

[not really ken]

 

[feichen]

well maybe they can go to kenia and ask for land there ??

 

[devils_advok8]

well maybe they can go to kenia and ask for land there ??

lmao!you people got no problem with other people occupying land that is not their's, do you?We don't want Kenia, we want our land back, which is Palestine.We want Haifa, Akka, Yaffa, Jerusalem, Beer Sabe', Nazareth, Safad, Tiberius, Lid, Al Ramleh and all the other cities back.While you, my friend, could go settle elsewhere.I had no problem with having a jewish minority in Palestine, but it seems that this minority sould ask for more.
Time, feichen, time.
Remember Khaibar

 

[Zero Cool]

lmao!you people got no problem with other people occupying land that is not their's, do you?We don't want Kenia, we want our land back, which is Palestine.We want Haifa, Akka, Yaffa, Jerusalem, Beer Sabe', Nazareth, Safad, Tiberius, Lid, Al Ramleh and all the other cities back.While you, my friend, could go settle elsewhere.I had no problem with having a jewish minority in Palestine, but it seems that this minority sould ask for more.
Time, feichen, time.
Remember Khaibar

Ramzi you're being totally unrealistic. Like it or not the state of Israel is here to stay.

 

[devils_advok8]

Ramzi you're being totally unrealistic. Like it or not the state of Israel is here to stay.

I was talking about what we "wanted", not what was going to happen.

 

[TecK NeeX]

of course not, the palestinians will follow the cease fire, than israel will run out of excuses or reasons to occupy and grab more land, thus leaving to more staged suicide bombings by israel in order for them to continue their aggression, the zionist plan is, was and will always be to push the palestinians into neighbouring arab nations and keep the land all to themselves and live in isolation from the rest of the world since thats pretty much all they care about, just like many past and present zionists have suggested

 

[Little Skittle]

over the past 5 or so years, many christians have been saying that the tribulation (armageddon, end of days, etc.) is coming soon and if you follow predictions from the bible about the end of days, you would know that the only thing left on the cosmic calender, is a peace agreement with palestein and israel....im not sayin i believe this...im just sayin

 

[Morris]

We want Haifa, Akka, Yaffa, Jerusalem, Beer Sabe', Nazareth, Safad, Tiberius, Lid, Al Ramleh and all the other cities back.

Some of the places you listed are thousands of years old and of Jewish origin. You do make a great example of the problem that most of the world can't seem to understand though. To the Palestinians, all of the land, including such obviously Jewish places like Jerusalem and Nazareth, are of Palestinian origin and are being occupied, including places within Israel proper (like Haifa).

of course not, the palestinians will follow the cease fire, than israel will run out of excuses or reasons to occupy and grab more land, thus leaving to more staged suicide bombings by israel in order for them to continue their aggression

Who are "the Palestinians" that you refer to? Not Hamas, who said yesterday it's not part of the ceasefire. Not Islamic Jihad, which hasn't promised anything yet. So when one of those groups pulls off another attack that forces Israel to retaliate, the world will decry the baloney "circle of violence" canard and you'll blame Israel for "breaking the ceasefire."

And I have to hand it to you. It's definitely impossible to argue with someone if they can actually convince themselves that the suicide bombings are staged by Israel, even if Arafat financed them, helped direct them, and even if videotapes of confessions are released by Hamas/Al Aqsa Martyrs/Islamic Jihad.

Of course, believing that makes you a total moron, but at least none of us can argue with you then.

 

[TecK NeeX]

And I have to hand it to you. It's definitely impossible to argue with someone if they can actually convince themselves that the suicide bombings are staged by Israel, even if Arafat financed them, helped direct them, and even if videotapes of confessions are released by Hamas/Al Aqsa Martyrs/Islamic Jihad.

blah blah blah stop with your zionist propaganda already, arafats direct involvement is an outright israeli fabrication. also i never said all suicide bombings are staged by israel, there were many bombings that took place in the last 4 years in israel that neither palestinian group claimed responsibility, what i meant was when the time for an attack on israel is needed in its favour to continue its accupation or at a time when israels occupation and its state sponsored terrorism is receiving world condemnation that so called 'suicide bombing' is always there to back them up, just like that one time when a bombing in israel took place while many world nations met in europe to discuss and condemn israels occupation and agression against the palestinians. what a great timing for hamas to commit a suicide bombing, oh and dont give the bullshit about suicide bombings take months in planning and it was 'coincidental'

 

[devils_advok8]

Some of the places you listed are thousands of years old and of Jewish origin. You do make a great example of the problem that most of the world can't seem to understand though. To the Palestinians, all of the land, including such obviously Jewish places like Jerusalem and Nazareth, are of Palestinian origin and are being occupied, including places within Israel proper (like Haifa).

Morris, land is land, there's no such thing as land of "Jewish origin".The land of Canaan had all the cities I mentioned, including southern Lebanon, Western Syria and Western Jordan in its boundaries.
http://www.crystalinks.com/canaan.html
1200 BC, the map of Ancient Canaan.That was before the Hebrews came to the land of Canaan.
As you see, Morris, Nazareth used to be part of Ancient Canaan.

 

[TecK NeeX]

here is an example of how israel fakes attacks inside israel to disrupt peace, cease fire agreement or pull outs. this is one of many!

1 Peace summit arranged in Egypt between Sharon and Abbas.

2 On the morning of February 7, a day before the summit is to start, Israeli Defense Minister Shaul Mofaz told Israel Army Radio that he had received intelligence warnings that some militants, including Hezbollah, may try to disrupt the summit.

3 Due to the intelligence warnings, Israel Police moved to a level III heightened alert status, one level below a state-of-emergency.

4 Like clockwork, on the afternoon of February 7, rockets rained down on the northern Israeli town of Nahariya, and were immediately described by Israeli police as Katyusha rockets fired by Hezbollah guerrillas in Lebanon.

5Later in the same day, the attack was described as the result of 'human error' involving a failed test by an Israeli weapons manufacturer in the area. It was made clear - some might say too clear - that although the failed test took place on an IDF firing range and was by a weapons company closely associated with the IDF, the IDF had nothing to do with it.

Obviously, the IDF attempted to disrupt the summit, or even provide a reason to call it off, by faking a rocket attack by Hezbollah. It wasn't a coincidence that the Israeli Defense Minister announced the possibility of an attack in the morning, and a faked attack occurred in the afternoon. This is the usual Israeli terrorist bullshit. On times too numerous to mention, whenever Sharon needs political cover to hide some outrage he is committing a convenient 'Palestinian' attack pops up to distract the press and make the poor, poor Israelis look like victims again. This time they were caught red handed, and had to come up with the laughable excuse of 'human error' in rocket testing

But here's the good part, and the aspect of this whole sordid matter that inspires some optimism. They were busted, and they were busted by IDF insiders. People in the IDF was so disgusted by the trickery that they spilled the beans, resulting in the necessity of the ridiculous cover story to explain the inconvenient fact that rockets coming from an IDF firing range were landing on an Israeli town. It wouldn't do for people to find out that crazies in the IDF were willing to murder Israelis in order to stop the peace process. The good news is that there are Israelis, including Israelis in the IDF, who wouldn't let them get away with it. If Israel is ever to have peace, we need to see more of this whistleblowing.

ive seen this all too many times

 

[Morris]

what i meant was when the time for an attack on israel is needed in its favour to continue its accupation or at a time when israels occupation and its state sponsored terrorism is receiving world condemnation that so called 'suicide bombing' is always there to back them up

Using your rationale, every time there's an attack that provides a pretext for war is done by a country against itself.

It's not hard to figure out that the reason there's a conflict is BECAUSE of these attacks. Palestinians are committing the bombings because they declared war on Israel and want to kill Israelis.

The suicide bombings back up Israel's version of the story because that's the whole purpose of the security barrier.

here is an example of how israel fakes attacks inside israel to disrupt peace, cease fire agreement or pull outs. this is one of many!

Israel and the Palestinian Authority have signed a ceasefire. Israel will not go after Palestinian militants if they don't go after Israel. Of course, Hamas and Islamic Jihad have not agreed to any ceasefire yet so there's nothing important about the ceasefire yet.

But to make your point even more outlandishly absurd, Hezbollah's not even a Palestinian movement. Israel hasn't reached any agreement with Hezbollah. Hezbollah's certainly not reached one with Israel. So if Israel was trying to get out of a ceasefire with Palestinians, why would it stage attacks from Lebanon?

Sometimes you really are a clown. Try using your damn head.

 

[devils_advok8]

Using your rationale, every time there's an attack that provides a pretext for war is done by a country against itself.

It's not hard to figure out that the reason there's a conflict is BECAUSE of these attacks. Palestinians are committing the bombings because they declared war on Israel and want to kill Israelis.

The suicide bombings back up Israel's version of the story because that's the whole purpose of the security barrier.



Israel and the Palestinian Authority have signed a ceasefire. Israel will not go after Palestinian militants if they don't go after Israel. Of course, Hamas and Islamic Jihad have not agreed to any ceasefire yet so there's nothing important about the ceasefire yet.

But to make your point even more outlandishly absurd, Hezbollah's not even a Palestinian movement. Israel hasn't reached any agreement with Hezbollah. Hezbollah's certainly not reached one with Israel. So if Israel was trying to get out of a ceasefire with Palestinians, why would it stage attacks from Lebanon?

Sometimes you really are a clown. Try using your damn head.

You ever heard any of Hassan Nasrallah's speeches, Morris?I got a speech where he says (directed at Israel):"You left Lebanon, but there's still Palestine between us", "I'm the son of the resistance (Palestinian resistance)", etc.Hizbollah would never sign an agreement with Israel.It's not about being Palestinian or Lebanese.The Palestinian resistance and Hizbollah are both enemies of Israel

 

[TecK NeeX]

Using your rationale, every time there's an attack that provides a pretext for war is done by a country against itself.

israel yes, other countries no, they're not as dirty and deceptive as israel is, especially the mossad, those people actually give a damn about their citizens

It's not hard to figure out that the reason there's a conflict is BECAUSE of these attacks.

and israel is loving every minute of these so called palestinian attacks against the israelis, its the only god damn reason they have to continue their agenda.

The suicide bombings back up Israel's version of the story because that's the whole purpose of the security barrier.

and that is why whenever their is a cease fire, israel is the one that breaks it, the sole reason for that IS to continue building this 'grab land as much as you can barrier', because this way they think of it as a legall way of doing it, by calling it a 'security barrier'.

But to make your point even more outlandishly absurd, Hezbollah's not even a Palestinian movement. Israel hasn't reached any agreement with Hezbollah. Hezbollah's certainly not reached one with Israel. So if Israel was trying to get out of a ceasefire with Palestinians, why would it stage attacks from Lebanon?

Sometimes you really are a clown. Try using your damn head.

can you not fucking read? i just used that as an example of what i meant before you dunce lol.

 

[Morris]

It's not about being Palestinian or Lebanese.The Palestinian resistance and Hizbollah are both enemies of Israel

You're absolutely correct in stating that Hezbollah continues its resistance based on the Palestinian question.

However, if Israel was going to stage attacks to get out of a ceasefire deal with the Palestinians, it would not stage attacks from Lebanon and make it look like Hezbollah is responsible, because Hezbollah is not a Palestinian group and is not part of a ceasefire.

 

[Morris]

and israel is loving every minute of these so called palestinian attacks against the israelis, its the only god damn reason they have to continue their agenda.

Israel's "agenda" of occupation continues BECAUSE of the attacks. Israel does not create the attacks to continue the agenda. Israel agreed to the partition of a Palestinian state almost 60 damn years ago.

and that is why whenever their is a cease fire, israel is the one that breaks it,

Name a single ceasefire that Israel has broken. It took Palestinian militants less than 24 hours to break their big "ceasefire" in the summer of 2003.

can you not fucking read? i just used that as an example of what i meant before you dunce lol.

It's funny that you mock my intelligence while also claiming Israel stages attacks on its own citizens and is the only country that would ever do so. I love irony.

 

[Morris]

blah blah blah stop with your zionist propaganda already, arafats direct involvement is an outright israeli fabrication.

Then I guess the timing of this story couldn't have been any better.

At least 600 members of various Palestinian Authority security services have been killed since the beginning of the intifada more than four years ago, most of them while participating in violence against Israel, a senior PA security official revealed Sunday.

The majority of the policemen chose to join Fatah's armed wing, the Aksa Martyrs Brigades, while only a few preferred Hamas and Islamic Jihad militias, he added.

"Most of these men doubled as security officers and members of armed groups," the official admitted. "The fact that they had received paramilitary training as policemen was an asset because they were able to implement the tactics they learned in the fighting with the Israeli army."

Abu Jandal's friends said that although he was on the PA's payroll, he also served as commander of the armed wing of Islamic Jihad in the Jenin refugee camp.

Another famous case is that of Jihad al-Amarin, founder of the "suicide division" in the Aksa Martyrs Brigades in the Gaza Strip. Amarin, from the Zaitoun neighborhood in Gaza City, was a senior officer with the National Security Force.

But yeah, those alleged ties between terrorists and the Palestinian security forces (which were under Arafat's direct supervision and were financed by him) is just Israeli propaganda...

 

[devils_advok8]

Israel's "agenda" of occupation continues BECAUSE of the attacks. Israel does not create the attacks to continue the agenda. Israel agreed to the partition of a Palestinian state almost 60 damn years ago.



Name a single ceasefire that Israel has broken. It took Palestinian militants less than 24 hours to break their big "ceasefire" in the summer of 2003.



It's funny that you mock my intelligence while also claiming Israel stages attacks on its own citizens and is the only country that would ever do so. I love irony.

while we're on the subject of peace talks and your post, and Alweyyet Nasser Salaheddin launched two Nasser missiles on a settlement and Izzeddin Al Qassam Brigades launched 60 missile and a Qassam on various settlement in reply to the two Palestinians killed by the Israelis after the summit
there you go, Morris.More broken promises from the Israelis