Nationalism is a silly cock crowing on his own dunghill.

[Hankaveli]

lol I liked the ida of seeing "Silly cock" on the page.

I wish people would come to realize that the government has it's own interests in mind the what is best for the peope.

here are some quotes I found!

Thoughts?

"Nationalism is a silly cock crowing on his own dunghill."
Richard Aldington

It is lamentable, that to be a good patriot one must become the enemy of the rest of mankind.
Voltaire

The love of one's country is a splendid thing. But why should love stop at the border?
Pablo Casals


Heroism on command, senseless violence, and all the loathsome nonsense that goes by the name of patriotism - how passionately I hate them!
Albert Einstein

Nationalism is an infantile disease. It is the measles of mankind.
Albert Einstein

Patriotism is your conviction that this country is superior to all other countries because you were born in it.
George Bernard Shaw

You'll never have a quiet world till you knock the patriotism out of the human race.
George Bernard Shaw

 

[71Outlaw71]

The love of one's country is a splendid thing. But why should love stop at the border?
Pablo Casals

I like that one. :thumb:

The US doesn't have love for nobody except for themselves.

 

[Duke]

Some excellent quotes. And i concur. Having love for one's country is fine. Nothing wrong with that. But when people are convinced "their" country is better than the next, it gets dangerous.

Nationalism, combined with the intellect of the masses (or rather, the lack thereof), makes for seriously misguided people.

Look at this site: www.fuckfrance.com

Some of the comments on that board are truly incredible. That such stupid people exist is a downright shame.

I hope that everyone who thinks Country X or Y is better than the rest dies of a terrible hemerroid infection. :thumb:

 

[Amara]

You'll never have a quiet world till you knock the patriotism out of the human race.
George Bernard Shaw

This one really stood out to me, but I would insert 'blind patriotism.' I don't see nationalism as being an inherently bad thing, it is good for internal cohesion and a sense of national purpose and pride... but it is at the same time a dangerous political tool which prays on the malleability of peoples minds...so I guess rather than advoke blind patriotism, I take on a cynical form of nationalism. I love my country, but keep my eyes open to its faults.

 

[not really ken]

Nationalist pride is haraam (forbidden) in Islam.

 

[AmerikazMost]

Nationalism has ruined this country. After September 11th, people united together and patriotism grew. The problem was that they all fell in love with President Bush rather than the country. They viewed the president as the country, and it has given him the opportunity to run wild. They backed anything he did, and anyone who didn't was a traitor, even if what Bush did didn't coincide with the Constitution.

 

[Amara]

Nationalist pride is haraam (forbidden) in Islam.

You are joking right? "Forbidden" or not, the relationship between society and government seems to ensure there will always be nationalistic sentiment.

 

[H.E. Pennypacker]

You are joking right? "Forbidden" or not, the relationship between society and government seems to ensure there will always be nationalistic sentiment.

He's not kidding. The fact that it is outlawed could very well be because nationalism turns people into animals.

That's not even the point I am trying to make. There's something wrong with forming groups...espechially some line drawn around a piece of country. Islam does not recognize lines, regardless of who put them where.

What's next...pride in a group of people that wear white socks? Yeah right.

 

[Amara]

He's not kidding. The fact that it is outlawed could very well be because nationalism turns people into animals.

That's not even the point I am trying to make. There's something wrong with forming groups...espechially some line drawn around a piece of country. Islam does not recognize lines, regardless of who put them where.

I just find that interesting because theoretics aside, middle eastern states and citizens seem to exude very high levels of nationalistic sentiment. Similarly, it could be observed that within Islam there is a kind of religious nationalism - a shared cultural and ideological identity which is distinct and carries a certain amount of pride.

 

[Duke]

I just find that interesting because theoretics aside, middle eastern states and citizens seem to exude very high levels of nationalistic sentiment. Similarly, it could be observed that within Islam there is a kind of religious nationalism - a shared cultural and ideological identity which is distinct and carries a certain amount of pride.

I see your point, but your wording is off.

Similarly, it could be observed that within Islam there is a kind of religious nationalism

That wouldn't be nationalism, would it?

Regardless, i'm being picky here


But i guess Muslims value their religion a lot more than the piece of land they happened to be born in. You can never totally annihilate nationalism, however, because people never fully follow the rules, be they governmental, religious or whatever.

 

[Amara]

I see your point, but your wording is off.

Similarly, it could be observed that within Islam there is a kind of religious nationalism

That wouldn't be nationalism, would it?

How is my wording off? A nation can exist independently and is not restricted to the state. A nation can be based on many things - religion, language, but most importantly - common identity and shared norms.

 

[Sebastian]

This one really stood out to me, but I would insert 'blind patriotism. I don't see nationalism as being an inherently bad thing, it is good for internal cohesion and a sense of national purpose and pride.. but it is at the same time a dangerous political tool which prays on the malleability of peoples minds...so I guess rather than advoke blind patriotism, I take on a cynical form of nationalism. I love my country, but keep my eyes open to its faults.

definitely agree

That's not even the point I am trying to make. There's something wrong with forming groups...espechially some line drawn around a piece of country.

could u please explain what exactly is so wrong about it?

 

[Duke]

How is my wording off? A nation can exist independently and is not restricted to the state. A nation can be based on many things - religion, language, but most importantly - common identity and shared norms.

That's correct. But that type of definition has it's limits. A religion like Islam is worlwide and so expanded that you couldn't possibly speak about "the" Islamic nation. So then a form of "nationalism" couldn't exist within a religion so spread out as Islam.


But it's way off topic. I understand your point.

 

[CalcuoCuchicheo]

Alba Gu Bra.

 

[Morris]

It seems a lot of you believe there is a connection between nationalism and governments.

Nationalism is mostly just a collective trait of a society that's inherent in nature. If you live in your house, you won't be apathetic about your yard or belongings. If a fire starts 3 houses away, you're not going to go fight it.

The most successful, and the most rabid, nationalist movements have usually been conducted by individuals who have no form of representative government.

 

[2pacalypse Now]

i hate the idea of nationalism, im not gonna stick by my country to the death. having said that i am a nationalist in thje Irish sense, but its not because i would blindly follow something, i looked at Irish history and i think its right that Ireland be reunited, but if Ireland becomes corrupted im not gonna stick by it till the end

 

[H.E. Pennypacker]

could u please explain what exactly is so wrong about it?

There must be a book on the wrongs of nationalism. I suspect there quite a few.

Nationalism is mostly just a collective trait of a society that's inherent in nature. If you live in your house, you won't be apathetic about your yard or belongings. If a fire starts 3 houses away, you're not going to go fight it.

This is another problem I have with nationalism. People will scream "I love American and Americans!" but when someone needs their help, they are nowhere to be seen. I am not talking about national disasters, because we've seen their help, I am talking about the simple things. If there's a man starving on the side of the road, generally, people won't do anything. If there's an old lady whose groceries fell on the road, there are people that will walk right by.

So, where's this love for America and the people that made it America? Its easy to say you love the country and its people, why not prove it?

 

[HitEmUp21]

To me there exists a problem with nationalism or even anti-nationalism. We have, for a significant time thought of countries as nation-states, and as long as we do this nationalism will prevail. While many may not have that blind love for their country, we still create mental divisions between others as a result of borders. Those who are proponents of nationalism are effectively creating and endorsing these barriers between human beings, while those who denounce nationalism are (for the most part) acting in a hypocritical fashion, as I'm sure they don't look at the world as a borderless mass.

I must have my definitions of patriotism and nationalism mixed up if those quotes are valid, as I can't see how one cannot be a nationalist in a world consisting of nation-states. It seems many confuse nationalism with patriotism, to my understanding nationalism is thinking in terms of nations, and recognizing national sovereignty, while patriotism is the love for one's country.

But could someone please provide some clarity on it? And not just what they think is correct, but something they are actually sure of.

 

[Baukem]

I like that one. :thumb:

The US doesn't have love for nobody except for themselves.

o, since when do they care about the blacks in USA then?
lmfao @ fuckfrance.com , what a bunch of idiots. both the pro-france and the anti-france ppl no that site