http://smh.com.au/ftimages/2006/02/15/1139890768716.html
There might be pictures that may find some people uncomfortable.
There might be pictures that may find some people uncomfortable.
More Abu Ghraib pictures
- Thread starter Valeoz
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what can I say? I'm not arab, I'm no muslim, but those pics and the stories just make me hate those that are responsible for those actions. It's just funny that people in the US wonder "why they dn't love us?".....thinkin they're the greatest nation in the world....*shakes head*
yes that's pretty clear isn't it.
yes that's pretty clear isn't it.
This couldn't have come at a worse time. What with the first set of pictures, the cartoons, the release of the video showing brutality of British soldiers and now these. Muslims have a right to feel resentment to the West. But the fanatics are going to play on this hatred and turn it into violence. And guess who'll pay the most? Not those that committed the crimes but "innocent" everyday people like you and me.
I agree with a lot that you have said and feel its a shame that the good things that the troops are doing like help building hospitals etc are not being shown , not all that is going on is bad out there .
Those American idiots that commited those crimes were scum and deserved the punishment that they got , their was no need for what went on and quite rightly caused an uproar.
However i disagree with the British troops part , those guys were in a very dangerous posistion and had been facing hostile riots all that week against fanatics armed with rifles grenades and other weapons and had just had a mortar round fired at them as well as a blast bomb just before the video had started , to prevent more attacks the soldiers went out into the crowd to catch the ring leaders and try to stop the mayhem . These guys were not out buying ice creams they were out to cause mayhem and kill people , the soldiers went out and used minimal force to get the job done , they didnt kill anyone and and defused the situation . Now its easy to pass judgement sitting at home and calling it brutality but try to look at the scenario that took place , those fanatics were not fucking around and it wasnt just some passer by , picture how you would feel in the same posistion , you would probably shoot them out of fear if anything , but that didnt happen the situation was brought under control and no one else was hurt . You can bet your bottom dollar that the rioters didnt just want to dish out a beating they wanted blood .
But before we get the - The soldiers shouldnt be out there anyway comments i agree , Bring them home and lets not lose another brave life to these fanatics who obviously do not want liberating and want to live in the barbaric society they lived in before - BRING THEM HOME and leave them to it .
Those American idiots that commited those crimes were scum and deserved the punishment that they got , their was no need for what went on and quite rightly caused an uproar.
However i disagree with the British troops part , those guys were in a very dangerous posistion and had been facing hostile riots all that week against fanatics armed with rifles grenades and other weapons and had just had a mortar round fired at them as well as a blast bomb just before the video had started , to prevent more attacks the soldiers went out into the crowd to catch the ring leaders and try to stop the mayhem . These guys were not out buying ice creams they were out to cause mayhem and kill people , the soldiers went out and used minimal force to get the job done , they didnt kill anyone and and defused the situation . Now its easy to pass judgement sitting at home and calling it brutality but try to look at the scenario that took place , those fanatics were not fucking around and it wasnt just some passer by , picture how you would feel in the same posistion , you would probably shoot them out of fear if anything , but that didnt happen the situation was brought under control and no one else was hurt . You can bet your bottom dollar that the rioters didnt just want to dish out a beating they wanted blood .
But before we get the - The soldiers shouldnt be out there anyway comments i agree , Bring them home and lets not lose another brave life to these fanatics who obviously do not want liberating and want to live in the barbaric society they lived in before - BRING THEM HOME and leave them to it .
Seriously what the hell are you on? I'm all for bringing the troops home because there's a lot of good people (from both sides) dying needlessly.
But what those British soldiers did is NOT defendable.
Went out to catch the ring leaders? Why did they drag youths (yes YOUTHS) back INTO the compound, then beat them INSIDE the compund AFTER the event. It was not in the heat of the moment, they dragged them away, isolated them and kicked the shit out of them.
Prevent further mayhem? What further mayhem were they preventing? The crowd had already dispersed, the mob ran away. The ones that were caught were not the probably ring leader. In fact those that did the most damage probably got away. Which means theyre still around to cause mayhem. So the soldiers prevented nothing.
Used minimal force to get the job done. Right. When they had the youths and young man in a head lock walking down the street, that was minimal force. But what was the beating INSIDE the compund where there was NO DIRECT THREAT from DEFENSLESS people who were OUTNUMBERED (what 3 or 4 to 20?) with NO WEAPONS against people with koshes and guns? That is closer to brutality than minimal force.
They didn't kill anyone? There's a video (not sure if its still available, go to the News of the World) of them fucking about with a dead guy and laughing. I guess he died by being hit by a car.
And diffuse what situation? As I said (and can clearly be seen), the crowd had ran off. The beatings happened AFTER.
I think you show way too much bias towards the British army and what certain Brits do. You seem to be against anything that the British Government is, regardless of whether its right or wrong, but simply because you're British. This is blind ignorance. And if you think about it, this is exactly the behaviour of some extremist muslims (not all muslims are extremist). Regardless of whether something is right or wrong they'll blindly follow a cause against an "aggressor" to their religion, based on what another misinformed muslim says. Like you blindly following Britain, the army, etc based on what another misinformed Britain says.
You're closer to these crackpot than you'd like to admit. Its just you haven't been persecuted, your values dragged through the mud and your county invaded, so you've got no reason to act like a nut. But placed in that situation you'd probably be out there rioting too.
And don't go on with the "you ouldn't understand, your not British" thing, because I was born and bred in England. And I'm probably in the worst group of people for it, becuase I'm getting it in the neck from both sides.
But what those British soldiers did is NOT defendable.
Went out to catch the ring leaders? Why did they drag youths (yes YOUTHS) back INTO the compound, then beat them INSIDE the compund AFTER the event. It was not in the heat of the moment, they dragged them away, isolated them and kicked the shit out of them.
Prevent further mayhem? What further mayhem were they preventing? The crowd had already dispersed, the mob ran away. The ones that were caught were not the probably ring leader. In fact those that did the most damage probably got away. Which means theyre still around to cause mayhem. So the soldiers prevented nothing.
Used minimal force to get the job done. Right. When they had the youths and young man in a head lock walking down the street, that was minimal force. But what was the beating INSIDE the compund where there was NO DIRECT THREAT from DEFENSLESS people who were OUTNUMBERED (what 3 or 4 to 20?) with NO WEAPONS against people with koshes and guns? That is closer to brutality than minimal force.
They didn't kill anyone? There's a video (not sure if its still available, go to the News of the World) of them fucking about with a dead guy and laughing. I guess he died by being hit by a car.
And diffuse what situation? As I said (and can clearly be seen), the crowd had ran off. The beatings happened AFTER.
I think you show way too much bias towards the British army and what certain Brits do. You seem to be against anything that the British Government is, regardless of whether its right or wrong, but simply because you're British. This is blind ignorance. And if you think about it, this is exactly the behaviour of some extremist muslims (not all muslims are extremist). Regardless of whether something is right or wrong they'll blindly follow a cause against an "aggressor" to their religion, based on what another misinformed muslim says. Like you blindly following Britain, the army, etc based on what another misinformed Britain says.
You're closer to these crackpot than you'd like to admit. Its just you haven't been persecuted, your values dragged through the mud and your county invaded, so you've got no reason to act like a nut. But placed in that situation you'd probably be out there rioting too.
And don't go on with the "you ouldn't understand, your not British" thing, because I was born and bred in England. And I'm probably in the worst group of people for it, becuase I'm getting it in the neck from both sides.
Yes and people would still be being butchered under the old regime that was liberated , im not sure bout all the oil thing but getting rid of Saddam has to be a good thing for the people .
Im sorry but its a war zone and those rioters were not peaceful they were after blood , the soldiers never killed anyone which under the extreme circumstances wouldnt be suprising , what would you have done in the posistion they were in , shake the guys hand dust him down and say no hard feelings you didnt kill me this time but better luck next time mate .
So being a youth means they are not involved , that being younger meand they were only playing , those soldiers had just had a hard battle , would be very stressed and scared and were flowing with adrenaline - what do you think would of happened if the rioters got hold of a soldier ? they would of butcherd him not give him a beating .
Ok so the crowd had dispersed why do you think this was ? because the soldiers stormed out to confront them instead of sitting back and let there base get mortered . these guys were not playing with sticks and stones were they ?
So what would shooting them be counted as or beating to death or blowing them up ? That would be barbaric and is exactly what the rioters wanted to achieve .
I cant condone that one but is a seperate incident .
i certinaly agree about the muslim point as a couple on this forum border on this but im speaking on the video and am defending that , i didnt defend the americans in the same thread and wouldnt the video you mentioned . But i see your point on me being biased.
I guess your right and i would probably act like the idiots rioting and be lucky i wasnt killed by soldiers i was trying to kill instead of getting a kicking .
Im sorry but its a war zone and those rioters were not peaceful they were after blood , the soldiers never killed anyone which under the extreme circumstances wouldnt be suprising , what would you have done in the posistion they were in , shake the guys hand dust him down and say no hard feelings you didnt kill me this time but better luck next time mate .
So being a youth means they are not involved , that being younger meand they were only playing , those soldiers had just had a hard battle , would be very stressed and scared and were flowing with adrenaline - what do you think would of happened if the rioters got hold of a soldier ? they would of butcherd him not give him a beating .
Ok so the crowd had dispersed why do you think this was ? because the soldiers stormed out to confront them instead of sitting back and let there base get mortered . these guys were not playing with sticks and stones were they ?
So what would shooting them be counted as or beating to death or blowing them up ? That would be barbaric and is exactly what the rioters wanted to achieve .
They didn't kill anyone? There's a video (not sure if its still available, go to the News of the World) of them fucking about with a dead guy and laughing. I guess he died by being hit by a car.
i certinaly agree about the muslim point as a couple on this forum border on this but im speaking on the video and am defending that , i didnt defend the americans in the same thread and wouldnt the video you mentioned . But i see your point on me being biased.
I guess your right and i would probably act like the idiots rioting and be lucky i wasnt killed by soldiers i was trying to kill instead of getting a kicking .
I kind of agree Taliq...But I think that it's ok if they beated them, but not like that...they exagerated waaay to much... I would also like to add that the guy who filmed it has a messed up mind... he almost ejaculated when he wathed the soldiers beat those kids
in his own words : "ooooh yesssss, nasty little boooooys, naaasty little booooys, you are going to get it, yeeeesssss OOH YESSSS"
freak!
in his own words : "ooooh yesssss, nasty little boooooys, naaasty little booooys, you are going to get it, yeeeesssss OOH YESSSS"
freak!
That's exactly it, they dished out way more than they should have. I could understand throwing them around a bit, and getting them onto the floor. But beating them til they can't move is too much. The soldiers were in a high position of authority against unarmed civilians (rioters, whatever). They had a great advantage over them as individuals (the soldiers were physically bigger and stronger), with weaponry and numbers. They then chose to abuse this authority by acting like animals (like the rioters) and beat those teens just because they could. Now I may be showing my bias here. But those fuckers are supposed to be part of (what I consider) a great army, with unmatched bravery, integrity and tradition...and they pull bitch moves like that. Pathetic.
And yea the guy filming was a whacko. It wouldn't suprise me if he went down there and butt fucked those iraqis.:woah:
And yea the guy filming was a whacko. It wouldn't suprise me if he went down there and butt fucked those iraqis.:woah:
I can see where your coming from there, I mean look at these wonderful pictures just prooving how great Iraq is now without Saddam! C'mon man maybe certain people arnt being tortured for their religous beliefs now but there are still innocent victims getting attacked, just by different people. And just because someone is in Abu Ghraib doesnt mean they are guilty of anything or are terrorists although some are Im sure.
C'mon man maybe certain people arnt being tortured for their religous beliefs now but there are still innocent victims getting attacked, just by different people. And just because someone is in Abu Ghraib doesnt mean they are guilty of anything or are terrorists although some are Im sure.
artisticgurl said:
I can see where your coming from there, I mean look at these wonderful pictures just prooving how great Iraq is now without Saddam! C'mon man maybe certain people arnt being tortured for their religous beliefs now but there are still innocent victims getting attacked, just by different people. And just because someone is in Abu Ghraib doesnt mean they are guilty of anything or are terrorists although some are Im sure.
C'mon man maybe certain people arnt being tortured for their religous beliefs now but there are still innocent victims getting attacked, just by different people. And just because someone is in Abu Ghraib doesnt mean they are guilty of anything or are terrorists although some are Im sure.
You almost sound like you are saying that because there are people being killed now that - oh well it doesnt matter that people were being butchered before . Im sure you didnt meen it like that though .
Regardless of the oil thing which is debatable im glad they invaded set these people free and hopefully Iraq can get there country in order , the troops leave and Iraq can live happily ever after , however it wont be that easy will it .
The Abu garib point - you , me or whoever on here cannot judge who should be in the prison or not as we dont know but there is no way they should of been treated the way they were , it wasnt nice and did paint a bad picture . However i would be interested in seeing any prison footage from the sadaam era and i bet my life there was more barbaric and evil things going on in there without any doubt .
Abu Ghraib during the Saddam era was being used for torture, which is why many Iraqi's wanted it destroyed because it was a symbol of abuse, and by the looks of this still is. I dont pretend that Iraq was heavinly before the invasion I think it was run by a asshole who should be locked up til he dies, but when you look around the world at all the places that are run by fucked up lunatics (North Korea being ONE) you gotta ask why Iraq. I dont disagree with removing Saddam but I completely disagree with how we went about it.
Ofcourse some Iraqi's were happy Saddam was gone, who wouldnt be that wasnt getting favours from Saddam? But that still wasnt the whole country and its not like Iraq is the #1 living destination.. I do hope though that things get better and the troops leave.
Ofcourse some Iraqi's were happy Saddam was gone, who wouldnt be that wasnt getting favours from Saddam? But that still wasnt the whole country and its not like Iraq is the #1 living destination.. I do hope though that things get better and the troops leave.
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