Moon Gas to Solve Energy Crisis

#1
"Moon gas may solve Earth's energy crisis"
http://www.abc.net.au/news/newsitems/200411/s1252715.htm

A potential gas source found on the moon's surface could hold the key to meeting future energy demands as the earth's fossil fuels dry up in the coming decades, scientists say.

Mineral samples from the moon contain abundant quantities of helium-3, a variant of the gas used in lasers and refrigerators.

"When compared to the earth the moon has a tremendous amount of helium-3," Lawrence Taylor, a director of the US Planetary Geosciences Institute, said.

"When helium-3 combines with deuterium (an isotope of hydrogen) the fusion reaction proceeds at a very high temperature and it can produce awesome amounts of energy.

"Just 25 tonnes of helium, which can be transported on a space shuttle, is enough to provide electricity for the US for one full year."

Helium-3 is deposited on the lunar surface by solar winds and would have to be extracted from moon soil and rocks.

To extract helium-3 gas the rocks have to be heated above 800 degrees Celsius.

Dr Taylor says 200 million tonnes of lunar soil would produce one tonne of helium.

Only 10 kilograms of helium-3 are available on earth.

Indian President APJ Abdul Kalam has told the International Conference on Exploration and Utilisation of the Moon that the barren planet held about 1 million tonnes of helium-3.

"The moon contains 10 times more energy in the form of helium-3 than all the fossil fuels on the earth," Mr Kalam said.

Reactor

However, Dr Taylor says that the reactor technology for converting helium-3 to energy is still in its infancy and could take years to develop.

"The problem is that there is not yet an efficient type of reactor to process helium-3," he said.

"It is currently being done mostly as a laboratory experiment. Right now at the rate which it (research) is proceeding it will take another 30 years."

Other scientists say that the reactor would be safe in terms of radioactive elements and could be built right in the heart of any city.

"Potentially there are large reservoirs of helium-3 on the moon," DJ Lawrence, a planetary scientist at the US Los Alamos National Laboratory, said.

"Just doing reconnaissance where the minerals are and to find out where helium-3 likes to hang out is the first step, so when the reactor technology gets to work we are ready and have precise information.

"It really could be used as a future fuel and is safe. It is not all science fiction.

"There are visionaries out there and now the question arises where the funds come from. If people get on board to do it there is no doubt it could be done."

Dr Taylor echoed Dr Lawrence's views, adding that there are no funds available for funding non-petroleum energy projects in the United States.

He warns of the exhaustion of fossil fuels such as coal, oil and gas on earth.

"By 2050 the whole world will have a major problem. We need to be thinking ahead," Mr Taylor said.

"Right now we are not thinking ahead enough. Some of us are. But then the people who make the decisions and put money on the projects are not. They think only about the next elections.

"If we set our hearts on the moon and have the money to do it, then we do it pretty fast.

"However, it could be done well within 10 years if the sources of finance are generated to get this (reactor) going."

- AFP
 
#2
didn't read the whole thing, but there goes the moon, just another place we can fuck up. seems that stories commonly found in comics which have like big ass ships going into space just to look for resources, will come true some day.
 
#3
Vaudeville said:
there goes the moon, just another place we can fuck up.
Yeah, it's like on the Matrix - human beings are a disease. We use up all the resources we have, so we move on to suck them up elsewhere...

On the plus side, at least it will release some pressure from the already damaged ozone layer, then again how are they planning on extracting this helium? Doesn't the process of space exploration pump shit loads of nitrogen into the atmosphere? We may as well keep burning those fossil fuels after all....
 

Rukas

Capo Dei Capi
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#4
I didnt read this all please forgive me but the following thoughts pop into my head.

1. Who owns the moon? Someone has to own it to sell the contracts.
2. Drilling on the moon could cause the moons rotation to shift even very slightly. While you may not think this is a huge risk, the moon controls the earths waves, imagine more Tsunami's or a shift in the earths orbit caused by the moon shift.
3. Due to the conditions on the earth, siesmic surveying would be very difficult, as would magnetic analysis, a field I work in.
4. Considering I work in the field, let me say, theres no shortage of gas in the world, nor is there a shortage of oil (both are produced together, bi products of one another).
5. There are many more cost effective and cleaner solutions then going to the moon for gas.
 
#5
Rukas said:
I didnt read this all please forgive me but the following thoughts pop into my head.

1. Who owns the moon? Someone has to own it to sell the contracts.
2. Drilling on the moon could cause the moons rotation to shift even very slightly. While you may not think this is a huge risk, the moon controls the earths waves, imagine more Tsunami's or a shift in the earths orbit caused by the moon shift.
3. Due to the conditions on the earth, siesmic surveying would be very difficult, as would magnetic analysis, a field I work in.
4. Considering I work in the field, let me say, theres no shortage of gas in the world, nor is there a shortage of oil (both are produced together, bi products of one another).
5. There are many more cost effective and cleaner solutions then going to the moon for gas.

well that first point had me thinking, why would anybody even do anything with the moon, it's not about who owns the moon, it's about why or how anybody could own the moon, i mean what the fuck, we don't own it, God owns, nature owns it, space owns, whatever you want to say humans got no right to mess with it, we already did enough to our earth.
 

Bina

New Member
#7
Rukas said:
I didnt read this all please forgive me but the following thoughts pop into my head.

1. Who owns the moon? Someone has to own it to sell the contracts.
2. Drilling on the moon could cause the moons rotation to shift even very slightly. While you may not think this is a huge risk, the moon controls the earths waves, imagine more Tsunami's or a shift in the earths orbit caused by the moon shift.
3. Due to the conditions on the earth, siesmic surveying would be very difficult, as would magnetic analysis, a field I work in.
4. Considering I work in the field, let me say, theres no shortage of gas in the world, nor is there a shortage of oil (both are produced together, bi products of one another).
5. There are many more cost effective and cleaner solutions then going to the moon for gas.
All these points makes sense.
However, no 4. - if gas and oil are produced together, shouldn't there be oil on the moon as well??

Another point, after we've used all of the gas on the moon, which planet we gona mess up after that???
 

Rukas

Capo Dei Capi
Staff member
#8
Bina said:
All these points makes sense.
However, no 4. - if gas and oil are produced together, shouldn't there be oil on the moon as well??

Another point, after we've used all of the gas on the moon, which planet we gona mess up after that???

No for oil you also need carbon. (The moon gas is a different gas to what we use if you read the article, its helium, which isnt a bioproduct of oil.)

I actually remember reading one report that they did find oil on the moon but that quickly disappeared. It was either false, or it was true and thats even more reason to not mention it. Remember, oil is made from living things, plants, algae, dinosaurs, over millions of years. But it was probably fake news Ill google around later.
 
#9
I think rather than focussing on these bogus plans of expanding into space, we should all focus on that last point - that we have all the resources we need available from alternative sources. Why go to all the trouble, expense and potential danger of extracting gases from the moon when we could easily utilise solar or wind power in our very backyards?!
 

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