Low Income Housing and Section Eight

Synful*Luv

Well-Known Member
Staff member
#1
Hey Ladies and Gents,

I for one, am totally against the misconstructure of the welfare system. It disgusts me how easy it is for lazy people to live off MY HARD EARNED MONEY! Pretty much, all you have to do is go down to the welfare office and apply.

In recent research that I did for a paper in my Current Events class, a friend of mines (who doesn't work) was able to get approved for a link card (like a debit card that has money on it for food), as well as $400 cash a month just for not having a job. And the money would have tripled if she had any children.

I think this practice of giving away money makes no sense at all. No background check, nothing stating that she would at least look for a job, no psychological check, no anything. Just here's your money, you'll get it once a month, see ya around.

Now to further insult hard working tax payers. They've modified the section eight and low income housing programs. It used to be that all subsidized housing was located in one general area. It pissed people off that we were working and struggling to pay rent while some people just sat on their ass and paid nothing for rent at all. But at least we couldn't see it.

Illinois recently passed a bill that states that every town and city and neighborhood in Illinois has to offer subsidized housing. This touched a major nerve with me. As if it isn't bad enough that these people are living for free, now they get to live next door to me? My parents live in the affluent suburb of North Brook, IL and it's bullshit that they worked so hard to be able to afford the finer things in life and then some lazy bum gets to move next door FOR FREE and blast their music all day while not cutting their grass, or watering the lawn, or doing anything constructive. I think this is a major insult to tax payers throughout Illinois. And when I brought the issue up at a community meeting, I was deemed a "republican" as if that's such a bad thing.

What are your thoughts on this situation? Do you think moving in the bums of the world into upper middle class neighborhoods is a good form of "integration" (their terms, not mines) or is it a bunch of bullshit.

Please discuss.
 
#2
Synful*Luv said:
Hey Ladies and Gents,

I for one, am totally against the misconstructure of the welfare system. It disgusts me how easy it is for lazy people to live off MY HARD EARNED MONEY! Pretty much, all you have to do is go down to the welfare office and apply.

In recent research that I did for a paper in my Current Events class, a friend of mines (who doesn't work) was able to get approved for a link card (like a debit card that has money on it for food), as well as $400 cash a month just for not having a job. And the money would have tripled if she had any children.

I think this practice of giving away money makes no sense at all. No background check, nothing stating that she would at least look for a job, no psychological check, no anything. Just here's your money, you'll get it once a month, see ya around.

Now to further insult hard working tax payers. They've modified the section eight and low income housing programs. It used to be that all subsidized housing was located in one general area. It pissed people off that we were working and struggling to pay rent while some people just sat on their ass and paid nothing for rent at all. But at least we couldn't see it.

Illinois recently passed a bill that states that every town and city and neighborhood in Illinois has to offer subsidized housing. This touched a major nerve with me. As if it isn't bad enough that these people are living for free, now they get to live next door to me? My parents live in the affluent suburb of North Brook, IL and it's bullshit that they worked so hard to be able to afford the finer things in life and then some lazy bum gets to move next door FOR FREE and blast their music all day while not cutting their grass, or watering the lawn, or doing anything constructive. I think this is a major insult to tax payers throughout Illinois. And when I brought the issue up at a community meeting, I was deemed a "republican" as if that's such a bad thing.

What are your thoughts on this situation? Do you think moving in the bums of the world into upper middle class neighborhoods is a good form of "integration" (their terms, not mines) or is it a bunch of bullshit.

Please discuss.
well we talked about this yesterday and you know how i feel. the way it's structured up here in Canada (or at least in my province, Manitoba) is much better, they provide you with job training courses and programs that help you find work, and if you haven't been looking for work, they boot you off. which is how it should be. but still, people find ways to take advantage of it. i believe in workfare, as in work for your welfare check. i think all states and provinces here should put that program in place, that way at least you're earning your money, and its not just a handout for lazy people. as for the low income housing, i agree with you syn. why should these people get to live in neigborhoods where people have to make a living in order to afford to live in these neighborhoods, and then these people get a free ride from the government. it makes no sense to me
 
#3
crackheads, bitches and lazy bums take advantage of welfare and low income houses/subsidized houses are headquarters for crime and violence. I say fuck em all. Ive been working all my life, wheres the problem?
 

Kareem

Active Member
#4
you damn republican! lol j/k anyway i feel you but I at one time in life lived in Subsidized housing:eek: but i also had a job at the same time, its was very low paying an not much else around my area if ya search Flint Michigan, just about everyone lives "ghetto" anyway I paid rent but of course at a fraction of what someone with the means to would pay. Now that being said I agree with you Syn if you got an individual or individuals whom are perfectly capable of working but yet choose to ride the welfare system then yeah their a piece of shit. BUT at the same time i think that subsidized housing is great for people who are really trying to make ends meat but their local economy just wont support that, I as a male of course am not entitled to any cash benifits and never have wanted that, I just got reduced rent or living assistance, anyway thats my past, I own a house now with a morgage ana all taht good shit, but i feel what your upset about:thumb:
 

Synful*Luv

Well-Known Member
Staff member
#5
Kareem said:
you damn republican! lol j/k anyway i feel you but I at one time in life lived in Subsidized housing:eek: but i also had a job at the same time, its was very low paying an not much else around my area if ya search Flint Michigan, just about everyone lives "ghetto" anyway I paid rent but of course at a fraction of what someone with the means to would pay. Now that being said I agree with you Syn if you got an individual or individuals whom are perfectly capable of working but yet choose to ride the welfare system then yeah their a piece of shit. BUT at the same time i think that subsidized housing is great for people who are really trying to make ends meat but their local economy just wont support that, I as a male of course am not entitled to any cash benifits and never have wanted that, I just got reduced rent or living assistance, anyway thats my past, I own a house now with a morgage ana all taht good shit, but i feel what your upset about:thumb:

I'm not a republican, I'm a libertarian.

Also, if someone uses it to get on their feet than fine. But the people they're moving out to the burbs are loud and ignorant. They disgust me. They have no jobs and no intentions on getting any. They live in gorgeous housing and pay 1/8th of the price hard working people are paying. Do they appreciate it? Do they take advantages of the opportunities this could present? No. They sit on their lazy asses all day and do nothing.

I know this doesn't apply to everyone getting government assistance. But it does apply to most. And it pisses me off.
 

FroDawgg

Well-Known Member
#6
Synful*Luv said:
I know this doesn't apply to everyone getting government assistance. But it does apply to most. And it pisses me off.
i know that there are a lot of people playing the system, but i don't think that it's MOST. the innocent, hard working, strugging people get a bad rap because of the freeloaders. i agree with welfare as long as people deserve and need it, but Syn, i agree with you that the system itself is not doing all that it can to ensure that those who deserve it are the only ones benefitting from it.
 
#7
the thing is that big time real estate investors base a lot of their business off of section 8 housing. they buy property in bad neighborhoods (costing not much capital) and take a mortgage. find section 8 tenants from the state, and charge what they need to charge. they are gaurenteed a certain amount of 'rent' from the government so it is low risk AND low cost to them. and not to mention they get a big fuckin tax write off at the end of the year. so who does section 8 housing benefit the most? you would think the crack heads....
 
#8
Well, there is somethings you could do if this really pisses you off. But it'll take work and time.

1. Appear at a City Council meeting or contact your District's Council Member.

2. Contact your Rep, probably can't do much but worth a try. If you don't know who your Rep is, go here: http://www.house.gov/

3. Start a committee or organization with others who feel the same way you do.

4. Go here to find out who you talk to about this issue you're having:
http://www.ihda.org/
Here is some good info for you from this site:
Regular Meeting of the Members of the Illinois Housing Development Authority will be held on Friday, May 19 at 9:30 a.m. This meeting will be held in the Board Room of the Illinois Housing Development Authority located at 401 North Michigan Avenue, Suite 900, Chicago, Illinois.
This too: http://www.ihda.org/ViewPage.aspx?PageID=173

It's all there really on that one site. I would definitely attend the: Public Hearing on the draft rules for the Rental Housing Support Program.

This should start you off.
 

Synful*Luv

Well-Known Member
Staff member
#9
Yeah, the thing is, it's required. The people building new devlopments as well as the people who own properties get funding from the government. So now the government is saying that in order to get funding from them, each individual town or city has to offer subsidized housing.
 
#10
regardless of welfare or any other social program that gives handouts... at the end of the day the government will still take your hard earned cash and use it for something you dont want it to go to whether its welfare or war, a new stadium or child support

and i dont see a problem with section 8 (unless your collecting welfare at the same time) because alot of people on section 8 usually work ass in the wall jobs and cant afford much

the welfare... which is just free money is where the problem comes in.. welfare is not even a racial thing because theres a large amount of each group on it and thats where the focus should be put on

theres does need to be sometype of welfare reform where job training/placement is a required agreement in the policy
 
#11
far as i can see this is the states problem. now it's not far too us and what we work for, for folks to take advantage. but for those that make use of the opportunity is the right thing to do.

now the only way to regulate the "go-getters" and "get-overs" is to be on their ass. Louisiana has a very well organized program for such. it's worked well for me and even more controlled since Katrina.

now from what i've gathered we're not the most upstanding of economic systems. so we can pull it off, i reckon chicago could. so unless they do something, it's gonna get milked by any and all that can.
 

XIAN

New Member
#12
I agree with FroDawgg, people "taking advantage" of welfare is a stereotypical problem. Most of the people on welfare are on it for less than 6 months. Only a very small percentage "takes advantage."

Synful is talking like a true right wing individualist when saying:

Now to further insult hard working tax payers. They've modified the section eight and low income housing programs. It used to be that all subsidized housing was located in one general area. It pissed people off that we were working and struggling to pay rent while some people just sat on their ass and paid nothing for rent at all. But at least we couldn't see it.
You're right, everyday young people are killed in the projects and it is never on the news unless a cop was injured. The problem is not that these people are not hard-working. The problem is that they are not free.
~peace~
 
#13
Our governor just passed welfare reform here a few years ago. Now in order to receive help you have to get a job within a certain amount of time. You get so much money for one child and a little more for a second child and after that, you don't get anymore money. It put a stop to all those lazy bitches just sitting 'round having babies to get more money. They don't just give you a place to live and let you stay there for free here anymore. They just bought like 5 little cottages in this one place for people to live in until the get their job training or whatever and get a job, then they have to leave. If you don't get on your own within a certain amount of time, you're shit outta luck cause they'll put you out. It's a pretty good thing if you ask me.
As for section 8, you can't even apply here until you're disabled or over 65. The waiting list is closed "until further notice" and has been for about 2 years now.
What really pisses me off about here is that in prolly 10 different areas of the county they're building houses one after another, but they're not just regular houses, they're these $100,000-200,000 houses. What the hell for? Why not use that space to build government houses that we need desperately? If you've got a waiting list for section 8 so long that it's been closed from 2 years ago til indefinately, why not build some houses to put those people in so that others that need it can apply? I swear to you, the county and the state as far as that goes that I live in is so ass-backwards til it don't make no sense. They'd rather build houses for these rich fuckers to live in than to build some for those that can't afford to pay for a $100,000 house.
The only assistance I get from the government is my kids are on medicaid and I get a piddly amount of food stamps a month because they use child support that I don't even get as part of my income. I can't even afford the high ass rent they charge on these little ass houses around here and I can't get any kind of assistance for housing. And how the hell do they figure using your gross income to base your assistance on? Hell if I brought home what I gross, I'd be able to afford things without any help from them. That's one thing that has really got me about government assistance. But that's a whole 'nother rant so Ima quit with it for now cause I'm going way off topic. lol
 

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