Israel allows return of deportees

[Zero Cool]

West Bank deportees to return home

Israel has agreed in principle to allow the return of up to 60 Palestinians expelled from the West Bank in 2002.

Palestinian officials said no timetable had been set but expected the deal to be implemented in the next two weeks.

The men, accused by Israel of terrorist involvement, include 40 Palestinians who took part in a month-long siege in Bethlehem's Church of the Nativity.

The move comes as Palestinian leader Mahmoud Abbas prepares to meet Gaza militants to urge them to join a truce.

The repatriation deal was reached by Mr Abbas and Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon as part of their agreement to end four years of bloodshed.

A committee is to be set up to review the return of the deportees, who were expelled to the Gaza Strip and European countries.

Some of the men spoke at a news conference after meeting Mr Abbas in Gaza City.

"Today, we received good news that an agreement was reached with the Israeli side to allow us to return to our cities... each to his home, each to his city, within a short period of time," said Ghanem Sweilem, who was exiled from his home in the Balata refugee camp near Nablus.

"They have not set a date as of yet but we have been told that we should be able to return within one or two weeks," said Mr Sweilem.

Mr Sharon's adviser Raanan Gissin said Israel would not arrest the men upon their return.

"We are freezing all proceedings against them as long as they refrain from terror activities," he said.

Source: BBC.co.uk

 

[devils_advok8]

"Israel allows"?
"Israel agrees to the return of deportees" under conditions.It's all been agreed on in Sherm El-Sheikh.and the price the Palestinians have to give up?Ending the resistance.
Lol it's not going to happen, rest assured people, the resistance groups said that "whatever the PLO and Israel agree on, we got nothing to do with it".Can it get any clearer?
Sherm El-Sheikh harmed the Palestinian cause and benefited Sharon equally.

 

[Morris]

Sherm El-Sheikh harmed the Palestinian cause and benefited Sharon equally.

How did it harm the Palestinian cause? Some of the Palestinian filth currently in jail for terrorism are being released, the Palestinians are getting control of West Bank towns like Jericho/Ramallah etc. and Israel is easing travel restrictions.

What does Israel get from this? A ceasefire from the Palestinian Authority that no terrorist group has explicitly endorsed. Whoopty doo!

 

[devils_advok8]

How did it harm the Palestinian cause? Some of the Palestinian filth currently in jail for terrorism are being released, the Palestinians are getting control of West Bank towns like Jericho/Ramallah etc. and Israel is easing travel restrictions.

What does Israel get from this? A ceasefire from the Palestinian Authority that no terrorist group has explicitly endorsed. Whoopty doo!

How did it harm them?It showed that cow Sharon as a man of peace and our leaders as ignorant fucks (dont get me wrong, they are).The main issues, like the wall and the refugees' right of return were avoided comment by the Jews.Several hundred Palestinian prisoners were released, there are still 8000 prisoners left in the Israeli prisons.They talked about Sharon's evacuation plan (Gaza Strip), while he concentrated more on the colonization of the West Bank.The Israeli government would control 60% of the West Bank.
We Palestinians can not be humilated anymore.No matter how many miles away liberating the land is, we'll do what it takes.Resistance is our only choice.Abbas is destroying what Arafat has worked for for a long time.He will, ofcourse, be assassinated soon if the resistance groups' demands were not met.

 

[feichen]

why should criminals be released just because they are palestinians ?
that would be discrimination

 

[Zero Cool]

Abbas is destroying what Arafat has worked for for a long time.He will, ofcourse, be assassinated soon if the resistance groups' demands were not met.

With Abbas in power there may be a real chance for peace to be achieved. He is steadily proving his credentials in his ability to work with the Israeli's and restrain the terrorist groupings. Arafat clutched to power so long that in the end it overcame him. With Abbas peace may be able to prevail, without him the Palestinian problem will continue anon.

 

[devils_advok8]

This message is hidden because feichen is on your ignore list.

more ignorant posts, I guess?

 

[feichen]

ur defending the palestinians , so... ur nick suits u well

 

[not really ken]

more ignorant posts, I guess?

yea :thumb:

 

[Morris]

The main issues, like the wall and the refugees' right of return were avoided comment by the Jews.

These are final status negotiations. The Palestinians refused to take Step 1 in 2003. Israel has already stated that the security barrier would come down if a peaceful state of Palestine is established. Israel has also stated that it would allow a limited right of return in the last step to establish peace.

Several hundred Palestinian prisoners were released, there are still 8000 prisoners left in the Israeli prisons.

That's because they are criminals. Palestinian prisoners who deserve to be in jail should stay in jail. The fact that several hundred bastards were released is a shame.

No matter how many miles away liberating the land is, we'll do what it takes.Resistance is our only choice.

Resistance for the past 60 years has gotten the Palestinians nowhere. It hasn't established its state and it hasn't destroyed Israel. At what point will they/you figure out that continuing to beat one's head against the wall accomplishes nothing but headaches?

He will, ofcourse, be assassinated soon if the resistance groups' demands were not met.

Abbas is extremely popular. No terrorist group is going to assassinate him. If they did the Palestinians would riot.

 

[devils_advok8]

These are final status negotiations. The Palestinians refused to take Step 1 in 2003. Israel has already stated that the security barrier would come down if a peaceful state of Palestine is established. Israel has also stated that it would allow a limited right of return in the last step to establish peace.

There will never be such a thing as a peaceful state.Do you really believe Israel would leave the West Bank and Gaza strip for the PLO to control?

That's because they are criminals. Palestinian prisoners who deserve to be in jail should stay in jail. The fact that several hundred bastards were released is a shame.

lmao no comment

Resistance for the past 60 years has gotten the Palestinians nowhere. It hasn't established its state and it hasn't destroyed Israel. At what point will they/you figure out that continuing to beat one's head against the wall accomplishes nothing but headaches?

do you realize that every upraisal is worse than the one before?In the first Intifada, weapons werent as spread as they are now, but now they make their own weapons, hell even rockets.Back in the first Intifada, there was alot of hate amongst the resistance groups, now they stand united.You're blind if you fail to see what the resistance has accomplished.

Abbas is extremely popular. No terrorist group is going to assassinate him. If they did the Palestinians would riot.

What part about if the resistence groups' demands do you not understand?The Palestinians voted for him cause he's a high rank PLO member and a follower of Arafat.Alot of them want the state on the land 1967 to be established so they decided to give him a chance.If it turned out he was giving the people false promises, they got no choice but to take him out.

 

[Morris]

There will never be such a thing as a peaceful state.Do you really believe Israel would leave the West Bank and Gaza strip for the PLO to control?

Israel handed sovereignty and control of the Palestinian territories to the Palestinian Authority in 1993. Israel gave the entire Sinai Peninsula back to Egypt for peace.

The answer to this is yes, as proven by Israel's actions regarding land for peace.

do you realize that every upraisal is worse than the one before?

This is the second intifada. For 4 continuous years, Palestinians have constantly tried to kill Israelis. The intifada has been a complete failure and a total military defeat for the Palestinians. And it's not as if the Palestinians could fight any better or harder than they did during this intifada.

Back in the first Intifada, there was alot of hate amongst the resistance groups, now they stand united.

The groups have been united since 1995. I'm not really sure what this has to do with anything though.

You're blind if you fail to see what the resistance has accomplished.

Everytime the Palestinians have started and lost a war, they have had to lower their demands in peace negotiations. They could have had the entire state in 1948. Now they're defeated and Arafat is finally dead.

So what has the resistance accomplished? Barak's offer in 2000 was better than anything the Palestinians will ever be offered again as a result of the resistance.

I guess you can call me blind, but I'd appreciate it if you could explain to us what the resistance has accomplished besides the deaths of about 4,000 Palestinians and 1,000 Israelis.

What part about if the resistence groups' demands do you not understand?The Palestinians voted for him cause he's a high rank PLO member and a follower of Arafat.

Abbas ran as a pragmatist against armed resistance and took about 75% of the vote.

 

[Zero Cool]

Everytime the Palestinians have started and lost a war, they have had to lower their demands in peace negotiations. They could have had the entire state in 1948. Now they're defeated and Arafat is finally dead.

So what has the resistance accomplished? Barak's offer in 2000 was better than anything the Palestinians will ever be offered again as a result of the resistance.

I guess you can call me blind, but I'd appreciate it if you could explain to us what the resistance has accomplished besides the deaths of about 4,000 Palestinians and 1,000 Israelis.

Precisley. As in Northern Ireland, armed struggle has shown up to be a failure in the long fun. It gained notability for the Palestinian cause but has failed to achieve anything in real terms for its people. With people like Abbas in power hopefully the Palestinians can negotiate a final deal with the Israelis and both sides can at last peacefully co-exist.

 

[devils_advok8]

Israel handed sovereignty and control of the Palestinian territories to the Palestinian Authority in 1993. Israel gave the entire Sinai Peninsula back to Egypt for peace.

The answer to this is yes, as proven by Israel's actions regarding land for peace.



This is the second intifada. For 4 continuous years, Palestinians have constantly tried to kill Israelis. The intifada has been a complete failure and a total military defeat for the Palestinians. And it's not as if the Palestinians could fight any better or harder than they did during this intifada.



The groups have been united since 1995. I'm not really sure what this has to do with anything though.



Everytime the Palestinians have started and lost a war, they have had to lower their demands in peace negotiations. They could have had the entire state in 1948. Now they're defeated and Arafat is finally dead.

So what has the resistance accomplished? Barak's offer in 2000 was better than anything the Palestinians will ever be offered again as a result of the resistance.

I guess you can call me blind, but I'd appreciate it if you could explain to us what the resistance has accomplished besides the deaths of about 4,000 Palestinians and 1,000 Israelis.



Abbas ran as a pragmatist against armed resistance and took about 75% of the vote.

1000 Israelis killed, and 4000 Palestinians.First of all, I dont buy the stats, I'm positive that the all the "suicide bombings" victim numbers were played with, the Israelis killed are definetly more than 1000.Link?sorry I aint got any, but I use my brains instead.a two storey bus exploded at rush hour has prolly resulted in the death of more than 9 people and 16 wounded.I've seen pics of that particular bus and I must say that there was no piece left attached to the other.
The Palestinians are producing their own weapons, they're not as trained as the Israelis, while on the other hand, they're fighting against mighty Israel, one of the greatest and most advanced armies in the world.When you compare the figures, they're actually doing well.
The Palestinians are lowering their demands by every war they lose because they're being reasonable, they simply couldnt get anything more that the West Bank and Gaza Strip at the moment, and even getting them back would be an achievment.
Abbas didnt run against the armed resistance, as Hamas and other groups refused to play part in the elections, they even boycotted them.
Abbas' campaign was all about "the establishment of the state of Palestine and Jerusalem as it's capital", he also kept mentioning that he'll give the Palestinians peace and end the resistance.
My point about the groups uniting was that they're more organized now and carry attacks together and there's no chance of having a war between them erupt anymore.

 

[Jurhum]

1000 Israelis killed, and 4000 Palestinians.

Expect Morris to come up with the 80% were armed.

 

[Morris]

The Palestinians are producing their own weapons, they're not as trained as the Israelis, while on the other hand, they're fighting against mighty Israel, one of the greatest and most advanced armies in the world.When you compare the figures, they're actually doing well.

The Palestinians are smuggling and importing very modern weapons from Egypt and other regions like Lebanon and Iran.

Regardless, it's not as though the IDF uses all of its technology. The IDF commonly raids Palestinian refugee camps with ground soldiers to root out terrorists, when it could just as simply lob bombs onto those buildings. The IDF is fighting the Palestinians with one of its arms tied behind its back.

1000 Israelis killed, and 4000 Palestinians.First of all, I dont buy the stats, I'm positive that the all the "suicide bombings" victim numbers were played with, the Israelis killed are definetly more than 1000.Link?sorry I aint got any, but I use my brains instead.

Well if I have to choose between your brains and every humanitarian group and institution covering this intifada, I'm going to have to choose the latter.

I don't know why Israel would deflate the numbers. After all, how often have you or people like you argued that Israel is the aggressor or using disproportionate force because more Palestinians are being killed than Israelis?

Abbas didnt run against the armed resistance, as Hamas and other groups refused to play part in the elections, they even boycotted them.

You misunderstood. Abbas's political platform was a call on Palestinians to end the armed resistance aspect of the intifada, believing it was unproductive.

Abbas' campaign was all about "the establishment of the state of Palestine and Jerusalem as it's capital", he also kept mentioning that he'll give the Palestinians peace and end the resistance.

And the terrorist groups still explicitly state that the eradication of the entire state of Israel is their only and final goal. These two goals are not the same.

 

[devils_advok8]

The Palestinians are smuggling and importing very modern weapons from Egypt and other regions like Lebanon and Iran.

Lol, I dont know where you get your info from, but that doesnt apply to even a quarter of the cases.There are many double agents around, that shit is hella risky.Most of the weapons are produced, mostly at steel works and carpenters.I've even seen 9 year olds make basic pistols.

Regardless, it's not as though the IDF uses all of its technology. The IDF commonly raids Palestinian refugee camps with ground soldiers to root out terrorists, when it could just as simply lob bombs onto those buildings. The IDF is fighting the Palestinians with one of its arms tied behind its back.

Fair enough, but bombing them would be unwise.

Well if I have to choose between your brains and every humanitarian group and institution covering this intifada, I'm going to have to choose the latter.

You see, that's the difference between me and you, Morris.I dont base my view on opinions on unreliable stastics or even propganda.In Iraq, a suicide bomber blows himself up driving and 24 National Iraqi Guards are killed, other than the wounded, yet when a similar attack is carried on US soldiers, only 2 are killed and 7 are wounded, yet there would be eyewitnesses who claim that they saw tens of American soldiers at that certain spot.I think it's the same thing in the occupied territories.

I don't know why Israel would deflate the numbers. After all, how often have you or people like you argued that Israel is the aggressor or using disproportionate force because more Palestinians are being killed than Israelis?

Cause if they didnt they'd spread fear among the citizens and it'll make those who want to migrate to Israel think twice, and not give the "terrorists" the satisfaction of knowing they hit him real hard.

You misunderstood. Abbas's political platform was a call on Palestinians to end the armed resistance aspect of the intifada, believing it was unproductive.

Yes, but not everything Abbas says/said means that the people who voted for him supported him 100%, does it?The main reason people voted for him was cause he was the like the next best thing to Arafat, even though the two were different.

And the terrorist groups still explicitly state that the eradication of the entire state of Israel is their only and final goal. These two goals are not the same.

Yep, you said it yourself, it's their final goal, at the moment, it's being stepped aside.