Is nature taking revenge?

[Tru Principle]

Humans on Earth have been increasing in number for centuries now and in order to sustain our own lives we've been forced to exhaust many natural recourses such as destroying rain forests. A whole ecosystem of animals and plant life simply butchered for our own needs. Now we've also been responsible for driving so many animals to extinction to either eat their meat, sell their fur, or for whatever reason.

Now my question is the following..

Is nature taking revenge..? The tsunami in Asia that killed a quarter of a million people and left millions homeless... The multiple hurricanes that struck the United States... and now.. a 7.6 earthquake that's killed over 18,000+ people in Pakistan alone... I know it's easy to grasp this since they're just numbers.. but when you actually see live footage of dead children and their mourning parents kneeling over them.. It kind of reinforces the idea there really is suffering...

Maybe Nature doesn't know what it's doing, but basically.. WHAT's HAPPENING TO THIS WORLD?

 

[THA_DAN]

thats destiny man, the world is going to an end, its a matter of time

we created our own destruction

 

[United Slaves]

the end is near...
the last day.

 

[Tru Principle]

thats destiny man, the world is going to an end, its a matter of time

we created our own destruction

Global Warming, Pollution (air,land, and sea), Lack Of Natural Recourses(petrol, wood, food etc..)...


I just wanna know what type of world are we gonna leave our children?

update: and oh there's 41,000 confirmed injured. cool:thumb:

 

[Rukas]

As tragic as those events are, they are nothing new in the grand scheme of things. Stuff like that happens all the time, from the Mexico earth quakes to volcano explosions to the ice age. The planet is not as stable as we like to believe.

 

[Tru Principle]

Don't forget the new bird flu.

 

[critikaldesignz]

like i told you on msn, the technologies we have today are what we need to survive. we've adapted to them and these are what we will live by. mankind will falter if we do not use these polluting technologies. (think about what it would be like without cars, airplanes, houses) but what you said about earthquakes and tsunamis, those are natural disasters, no being on the planet caused those, these disasters happen and nobody knows when and where. everything that occurs on earth is random. think about it. and about the butchering of animals: other animals have been doing this for eons. you think we kill just for the fun of it? we kill to survive, and the strongest always wins, no matter what the method is. (biting, stabbing, scratching, shooting, beheading, boiling, etc.) plus, we just happen to be at the top of the food chain if you look at it technically. i mean, we have the power to kill any animal on earth, despite the thickness of their skin, or the sharpness of their teeth. so, you tell me what's happening to our world. it's evolution, live with it.

 

[Amara]

As tragic as those events are, they are nothing new in the grand scheme of things. Stuff like that happens all the time, from the Mexico earth quakes to volcano explosions to the ice age. The planet is not as stable as we like to believe.

Yeah there is something to be said for our perception of events, it seems worse because we are living through it, or hearing and watching it happen to others, whereas we dont have any perception of what life on earth was like before... perhaps its not a matter of nature taking revenge, it's just the continuation of a cycle that goes on with or without development of human beings and our society.

One thing that comes to mind is that because of our extending development, because we are expanding upwards and outwards, the effects of natural disasters might just seem greater because in so many ways we are vulnerable to being touched as a result of how widespread we are. There are more lives to be lost and more infrastructure that has the potential to be damaged as a result of the burgeoning presence of humans.

Nevertheless, I believe there is some level of cause and effect in regard to our relationship with nature, but I think the negative effects we feel are yet to come, and so, like Tru Principle I wonder what type of world will exist for future generations.

 

[Tru Principle]

All right...

" mankind will falter if we do not use these polluting technologies. "

First of all it's NOT the technology that is causing the pollution it's the way we POWER these technologies that is polluting this Earth.

but what you said about earthquakes and tsunamis, those are natural disasters, no being on the planet caused those, these disasters happen and nobody knows when and where. everything that occurs on earth is random. think about it.


Well.. I might not be able to explain to you exactly and scientifically why these so called "natural" disasters occur but I can tell you this... Though some would like to apply Global Warming isn't a real threat.. It is... Many scientists believe that the pollution which is causing the thinning in the Ozone layer, which is causing sea temperatures to rise... will in turn cause many uh hum.. NATURAL disasters... but ain't NOTHING natural about that thick black smoke we release into our air.

and about the butchering of animals: other animals have been doing this for eons. you think we kill just for the fun of it? we kill to survive, and the strongest always wins, no matter what the method is.


All right so.. basically.. you're telling since it's NATURAL for animals to kill each other in order to survive...we have the right to take down forest after forest and completely eradicate 100s of species of animals... I mean c`mon... I'm not against the NATURAL evolution of things but to tell me it's NATURAL for creatures of Earth to burn down forests, and destroy natural habitat is completely absurd... Before man there were animals... yes many died, many survived... but at this rate, we're gonna kill them all off eventually because we'll be so over populated, there won't be any more space to live on Earth and anymore food to feed the people.

plus, we just happen to be at the top of the food chain if you look at it technically. i mean, we have the power to kill any animal on earth, despite the thickness of their skin, or the sharpness of their teeth. so, you tell me what's happening to our world. it's evolution, live with it.[

Yes since we are that top of the food chain and the smartest WE should take action to help prevent what is now surely going to happen... We are killing the world we live in, and it's not healthy for me or for the animals and plant life.. or for future generations.

 

[Jurhum]

Humans on Earth have been increasing in number for centuries now and in order to sustain our own lives we've been forced to exhaust many natural recourses such as destroying rain forests. A whole ecosystem of animals and plant life simply butchered for our own needs. Now we've also been responsible for driving so many animals to extinction to either eat their meat, sell their fur, or for whatever reason.

Now my question is the following..

Is nature taking revenge..? The tsunami in Asia that killed a quarter of a million people and left millions homeless... The multiple hurricanes that struck the United States... and now.. a 7.6 earthquake that's killed over 18,000+ people in Pakistan alone... I know it's easy to grasp this since they're just numbers.. but when you actually see live footage of dead children and their mourning parents kneeling over them.. It kind of reinforces the idea there really is suffering...

Maybe Nature doesn't know what it's doing, but basically.. WHAT's HAPPENING TO THIS WORLD?

I'm not a believer in nature. I believe in the creator of nature. It might seem sad what we have encountered, through earthquakes or hurricanes, but for every thing there is a reason. Most, importantly, I think it's due to our actions that these disasters occur. Humans in general are punished for the evil in them. We see it every day.

When the earth is shaken to her (utmost) convulsion, 99:2, the earth throws up her burdens (from within), 99:3, and man cries (distressed): 'What is the matter with her?'

Yes, what is the matter with her is what this topic focuses on. The Quraan carries on to say that on the Day of Judgment, earth will speak that God inspired her or commanded her to do so. Maybe to some this would seem incoherent. But, it’s what I firmly believe.

Some people see these occurrences just as cycles or a process of evolution; or perhaps, it's because the stress earth accumulated within it through out the hundred of years is being released, causing earthquakes. While to others, it's the end, the last of days.

But, is nature really taking revenge? It’s hard to believe that nature knows of what we do. Rather, it’s nature’s creator that commands it to act the way it does. It's very hard to understand why all of this is happening. But, there is a reason whether it's clear or not.

 

[not really ken]

Why are humans under some kind of impression that nature is under some kind of obligation to protect us from ourselves forget it!

 

[The.Menace]

As tragic as those events are, they are nothing new in the grand scheme of things. Stuff like that happens all the time, from the Mexico earth quakes to volcano explosions to the ice age. The planet is not as stable as we like to believe.

There's some truth to it but it's also the easy way out.....

Yes I do believe that nature strikes back, you know, what goes around comes around...and we've been playing with this earth for quite a while.

 

[Glockmatic]

welcome to Earth, where natural disasters happen all the time.

 

[TraynAllDay]

We were produced and spawned of this planet. I do not believe this planet will ALLOW us to destroy it. It will always prevail no mater how badly we damage it and we will disappear before SHE disappears. And she will recover in time in void of us. Hopefully she is intelligent to pick off the harmful forces in this world and we can continue to coexist peacefully, BUT I DONT SEE THAT HAPPENING. Say your prayers and do good deeds.

 

[Duke]

One thing that comes to mind is that because of our extending development, because we are expanding upwards and outwards, the effects of natural disasters might just seem greater because in so many ways we are vulnerable to being touched as a result of how widespread we are. There are more lives to be lost and more infrastructure that has the potential to be damaged as a result of the burgeoning presence of humans.

:thumb:

It's not that these days natural disasters are more frequent and more horrible. It's the expansion of the human race that brought us more into contact with them, and on a grander scale. Plus, the communication and mobility on Earth between humans has increased so much the last century, the effect of a natural disaster becomes more apparent to more people in a shorter time.

Whereas if a 8.0 earthquake hit Turkey 500 years ago, the people in Turkey would see it's effects. Besides that, small groups of people in Europe and Asia would know, but not more.


EDIT: Furthermore, i don't believe nature has some kind of consciousness. "Nature" and the natural disasters that come with it, is simply the flow of events of this planet. It's way this huge machine works. We could alter it as humans. We could make our impact so that it changes the process slightly, but any notion of the the process knowingly striking back is too far out there for me.

 

[Valeoz]

I'm not a believer in nature. I believe in the creator of nature. It might seem sad what we have encountered, through earthquakes or hurricanes, but for every thing there is a reason. Most, importantly, I think it's due to our actions that these disasters occur. Humans in general are punished for the evil in them. We see it every day.

Yes, what is the matter with her is what this topic focuses on. The Quraan carries on to say that on the Day of Judgment, earth will speak that God inspired her or commanded her to do so. Maybe to some this would seem incoherent. But, it’s what I firmly believe.

Some people see these occurrences just as cycles or a process of evolution; or perhaps, it's because the stress earth accumulated within it through out the hundred of years is being released, causing earthquakes. While to others, it's the end, the last of days.

But, is nature really taking revenge? It’s hard to believe that nature knows of what we do. Rather, it’s nature’s creator that commands it to act the way it does. It's very hard to understand why all of this is happening. But, there is a reason whether it's clear or not.

So in other words, you mean, God holds the the beginning and end and middle of all that exists, and proceeds straight on his course, making his circuit according to nature (that is, by a fixed order); and he is continually accompanied by justice, who punishes those who deviate from the divine law, that is, from the order or course which God observes? If this is so, then the reason is clearer than you think. I find the relation of God and Nature interesting.

 

[Jurhum]

So in other words, you mean, God holds the the beginning and end and middle of all that exists, and proceeds straight on his course, making his circuit according to nature (that is, by a fixed order); and he is continually accompanied by justice, who punishes those who deviate from the divine law, that is, from the order or course which God observes? If this is so, then the reason is clearer than you think. I find the relation of God and Nature interesting.

I am not exactly sure what you mean by "making his circuit according to nature."

 

[Valeoz]

I am not exactly sure what you mean by "making his circuit according to nature."

In simple terms, following the straight course according to the fixed order that he created.

 

[Valeoz]

I am not exactly sure what you mean by "making his circuit according to nature."

In simple terms, following the straight course according to the fixed order that he created.

 

[Jurhum]

^ Ok, then I agree. It sounded as if God was following natures order.