Interesting article: Rap & Violence: White Gangs Are Coming

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Rap & Violence: White Gangs Are Coming!
Harold M. Clemens



“Like the n***as who own the liquor stores/ crack, cocaine, pimps, ‘n whores/ livin’ up on this earth before/ a n***a like Daddy was born/ but they be makin’ it seem/ that my music ‘n crime a team/ but I’m speakin’ the truth not dream/ so what in da fuck they mean?/ my lyrics ain’t clean!” -Big Boi, “Babylon”

“Rap critics that say, ‘he’s money, cash, hoes’/ I’m from the hood stupid/ what kind of facts are those?” Jay-Z, “99 Problems”

For anyone truly interested in making our community a better place, rap should be a boon of information, since it is probably the only candid glimpse square folks can get into the hearts and minds of society’s dregs. One no longer has to ponder about the “why” and “how” violence, criminality, and delinquency too often take place in our neighborhoods, since the perpetrators themselves are on record telling the public. Black and Hispanic drug dealers, thieves, robbers, even murderers get behind a microphone and tell all, from their upbringing to their sexual fantasies to their regrets. Any good-hearted dimwit would realize that a good way to prevent the things we hate about our environment would be to listen carefully to the songs, then identify and work assiduously at eliminating the catalysts and motivations, cited by the wrong-doers themselves, that induce the unacceptable behaviors.

Instead of this obvious, reasonable approach to the music, we witness two bassackwards phenomena: one, people that blame the musicians for society’s problems, the very problems that shaped the artists’ lives, thereby influencing their controversial lyrics in the first place; and two, people that live with relatively good circumstances, but break their necks to emulate the artists, who come from little or nothing- two sides of one big, dumb ass coin. This piece deals with the former bunch.

Sellouts and armchair critics vainly moralize and point the finger, instead of using their op-ed columns, magazine articles, radio and talk show appearances, and message board space to discuss the problems rappers themselves cite as inspiration for their lyrics:

* Rampant unemployment and insufficient wages amidst pervasive materialism-

“I wanna live good/ so shit I’ll sell dope/ for a three finger ring/ one a’ dem gold ropes” (50 Cent, “Hate It Or Love It”)

* Easily available, illegal firearms- “used to do da battle wit stones and sticks/ now n***as do it wit’ da Macs ‘n clips” (Method Man, “Method Man Homegrown Version”)
* Job discrimination- “I couldn't get a job, nappy hair was not allowed” (Treach, “Ghetto Bastard”)
* Feckless schools- “Schools where I learn/ they should be burned” (Nas, “Poison”)
* Conspiratorial proliferation of narcotics in inner-cities- “n***az gettin blamed for the crystals/ but we don't grow the motherfuckin coke or weed or make the fuckin pistols” (Kool G. Rap, “Crime Pays”)

It’s not uncommon to read or hear wolf cries like, “Rap is destroying our community!” In fact, Wendell Talley recently wrote a piece for The Baltimore Sun, entitled “How Hip-Hop Drags Down Black Culture.” Such raves give the impression that rap is a significant stimulant for crime and vice in our neighborhoods. People that make statements like these have a fatal flaw in their reasoning though. If rap itself induces sin, then we should notice rap fans from every demographic misbehaving as a result of its influence.

Thing is, that is far from the case. White people account for 70% of rap’s sales, yet their communities display tremendously less violence than the staggering amount that plagues ours. The violence that does occur in suburbs, no one sensible would attribute to hip-hops influence either. White boys, heavy on rap, throw on hoodies and baggy jeans, rap themselves, call each other “n***a,” trick their rides, deejay, make asses out of themselves trying to crip walk, even wear do-rags (though they’ll never have waves), but somehow forget to form actual street gangs. Young Asians are also big, rap consumers. They disproportionately participate in break dancing, but forget to pick up guns and murder each other under rap’s hypnotism. How come white and Asian youth are immune from rap’s insidious messages, but Black youth aren’t? In light of these facts, one must infer that rap by itself has miniscule or no influence on violent and criminal behavior, since the overwhelming majority of its listeners never act on its messages.

In rebuttal, one could definitely argue that rap contributes to already vitriolic circumstances in this country’s ghettoes, or that it exacerbates already existent problems, or, similarly, that it perpetuates already existent ills inner cities are dealing with. Unfortunately, these arguments are moot in critics’ hands because they rightly imply that problem is not the music itself; the problem is the music, coupled with the realities that created it. Rap music is only potentially dangerous in the hood, the same place it comes from; it’s only potentially explosive amongst poor Blacks and Hispanics, the same people that produce its culture. The hood is the control in the experiment and rap is only a variable. We could take rap out of the hood and it would still be poorest, most violent, most hopeless place to live. We could saturate a well-off, well-educated, fairly treated neighborhood with all the M.O.P., G-Unit, 3-6 Mafia, and Mobb Deep in the world and that neighborhood wouldn’t change much either. Any reasonable person could see that.

Too bad so many Black critics aren’t reasonable. Too many of them are so ashamed of their blighted Black brethren that they are completely preoccupied with differentiating themselves from the rest of the lot. They spew rhetoric about morality, hard work, and patience not as viable prescriptions for misfortune, but rather to gloat and contrast themselves with the lesser Negroes. They feel urgent pressure to prove themselves not even from the same stock as “n***as”- i.e. those cats in the rap songs, or those loathsome people that use “ain’t” and “finna” as verbs, the young men that “happily” choose to sell drugs, instead of excelling at school, the darkies that refuse to stop playing “the blame game.” Lord forbid their counterparts in academia, corporate land, and swank society get it twisted and dismiss them as “just niggers in fancy clothes” or “just niggers with good grammar”!

It’s no coincidence then, that you hear uppity, Black folks, like Wendell Talley, using pronouns like “underclass” to describe rappers and their primary fan base. They want to create the impression that they themselves are “normal,” bona fide Black people, while their delinquent brethren are literally “under” or “below” normal; the latter belong to a totally separate “class,” which is beneath their own pedigree. Rappers and their kind are anomalies, rejects, not poor, downtrodden people that have made bad decisions amidst worse circumstances.

This “not one of us” strategy is slick, but eventually undermines bourgeoisie blacks’ goal to deflect discrimination because it still assigns some, or the rest, of Black folks, albeit not them, to the bottom of the social hierarchy; the nadir of society still looks like them, not the people they are trying to impress.

With their big, fancy university educations, Black, rap critics could do so much to change the music they so detest. All they have to do is, as we say around the way, “take it to the streets.” Their contempt, fawning, and elitism preclude them from realizing that though. Perhaps the torment rap lyrics bring them is poetic justice for their shameful neglect and ridicule of their brethren.

Harold M. Clemens is a staff writer for We The Voices Magazine

(www.we-the-voices.com). He also blogs regularly at http://ghettouprising.blogspot.com.


opinions?
 
#2
I don't think it would be fair to say that whites or any other race don't see where the raps be coming from. In a stereotypical sense maybe yes, but only to those who have a limited interpretation failing to see what is.

I have never been driven to the point of violence because of rap (give or take a couple of drunken stupors). I dislike violence so I can never imagine being in a 'gang', I would rather stand alone. People with a superficial eye are going to continue to see violence in rap rather than the underlying reality of struggle.

I doubt that whites are going to imitate the gang-land coulture of america or anywhere else for that matter. Although they may dress similar - even I got bandanas; people would be smart to just stay in and read a book. Gangs is bs.
 
#3
I've got to admit, the opening points are very potent. There are so many issues dissected & reasons given in rap songs, that somebody really should be trying to extract some understanding of poverty & crime from them.

And the poit about the area being the control & rap being the variable is spot on.

That last part about upper class blacks seperating themselves from other blacks is true too.

In fact, I agree with almost all of that article.

Good drop.
 
#5
Any good-hearted dimwit would realize that a good way to prevent the things we hate about our environment would be to listen carefully to the songs, then identify and work assiduously at eliminating the catalysts and motivations, cited by the wrong-doers themselves, that induce the unacceptable behaviors.

Instead of this obvious, reasonable approach to the music, we witness two bassackwards phenomena: one, people that blame the musicians for society’s problems, the very problems that shaped the artists’ lives, thereby influencing their controversial lyrics in the first place
exactly!...get this man on the O'rielly Factor.
 

Bigg Limn

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#6
Very good article, he's spot on with every point. As he probably anticipated, he recieved a lot of hate for this as he states on his blogsite - here's the rebuttle for that:
Thanks for the Feedback
"I take offense to what you wrote about. The world needs less people like you. Ignorant fuck."

"think all asian person chinese....we have nutthin left to live that gangsta life ....talkin about we aint poppin dem guns?...i show Some Gangsta Shiet........Neva seen asian People LIve that Gangsta LIfe..??????We show u something!...Racist Biotch!"- 2 verbatim, priceless quotes from 2 angry readers.

Since I wrote the infamous editorial, "White Gangs Are Coming!" for AllHipHop, I have never received so much hate mail in my life! (Lmao!) I realize some people really don't get sarcasm, hyperbole, and other written devices. Whatever. It's all good.
According to some I went to a private school (Lol! I would prolly have a good job, if that were the case), Roxbury is a suburb (LMAO!! Word?!), and I'm a racist because I don't think Asian/Asian violence is as rampant as Black/Black violence in our country (Smh). I'll let them tell it. Speculation is fun! (Lol!)
For the record, the AHH piece was a witty response to black, conservative critics that constantly inveigh against rap music; hence, the argumentative, literary, lofty tone. The point was NOT that Asians do not participate in gang violence, or that white boys shouldn't rap, or that white people don't live in inner-cities, or anything else I've read from disgruntled readers, only that rap music is not a catalyst for violence, vice, or misbehavior by itself. That's it. That's all. Period. Done.
My piece "The Difference Between Me and You" at We The Voices (www.we-the-voices.com) better embodies my critique of sellout's hypocritical knocks on rap. Speaking of...
I have been in contact with Mr. Wendell Talley. He is a good dude with a job on the "front lines." He works with the National Center for Neighborhood Enterprise. (Check out what they do at http://www.ncne.com/index.cfm.) Every one talks about the problem, not many do a damn thing about it. We gotta tilt our hats to him for actually grindin' on our folks' behalf.
Mr. Talley has given me permission to publish our email correspondence on this blog, which I will do soon. After reading his perspective, many will realize that his observations and critiques are challenging and poignant, despite my contention with his overall conclusion. Look out for the discussion.
I think money is sincere, unlike a lot of these other hypocrites. In fairness to him also, it's not him I got real beef wit, but the cats I want are inaccessible and shielded:
John McWhorter
Gregory Kane
Alan Keyes
Armstrong Williams
Stanley Crouch
Reverend Jesse Lee Peterson.
It's these cowards I'm tryna call out! Where dey at?! The publications they write for don't even accept freelance op-eds or charged letters to the editor. (Bangin my desk singing "What U Gon' Do" bouncin in my chair.)
To the Sistah that wrote:


"'Damn, am I turning into one of those Black elites he's talking about...' because I know I have said some really hateful things about hip hop, and some of its most popular artists, in the last 5 or 6 years."

Don't you worry one bit, Girl! I hate rap too! (Lol!) I stay bashin' rappers. Right now, there's only 4 cats I'll buy- Nas, Jigga, Outkast, and Dead Prez (used to f*ck wit' Mobb Deep, until Jay got at 'em so bad Prodigy forgot how to rap. Wtf?!) The difference between us and sellouts is we actually love the music, its people and have a comprehensive, contextual view of it.

I'm out.
 
#8
The fact is Gangs already existed before rap music. What do you call the mafia? Gangs exist not because of rap music but because it is human nature to form gangs. We are very similar to Dogs who form packs. We pack up for many reasons. The white gangs that you are referring to are the wanna be gangsters. White kids form these types of gangs because of the studio gangsters of 2005. These studio gangsters figured out that 70% of their customers were white and are marketing their bullshit to white kids who think it is cool.
 

AmerikazMost

Well-Known Member
#9
this guy said everything i've been telling people for years.

i'm white, and i go to a predominately white school (although i'm about 2 minutes away from Easton's South Side)...i've listened to rap for years, and i've never picked up a gun, i don't fuck with drugs, and i don't abuse women. i wear baggy jeans because they're more comfortable, not because of rap. i am not some strange exception - only the weak-minded idiots are greatly affected by music of any kind. and i don't understand why rap is always targeted. a lot of rock is much worse than rap.
 

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