intelligent life

[Preach]

i know that everyone is looking to the stars in search of intelligent life. now this may not be a subject to debate, but it's an idea i had and i just wanted to see what people think about it. isn't it possible that intelligent life evolved on this earth? i mean an additional species of intelligent individuals. what if horses, or any race for that matter, evolved into an intelligent species like humans? think it sounds possible?

to be honest, i just want to hear what jokerman has to say about it because i find his posts in this forum very interesting :thumb: lol. i guess the idea is far out there, but it is a possibility, don't you think? or do you think that if another race evolved into an intelligent lifeform, natural selection would uncheck the human box?

 

[Saint33]

thas a good question, i never rilly thought bout that. I gess its possible, but humans hav an advantage over other animals, not only do we hav intelligence, but we can use it to build things and create things because of our hands. Horses or dogs or w.e dont hav hands or thumbs so they cant carry, or build things as productively as us.

 

[Swollen_Member]

i know that everyone is looking for the stars in search of intelligent life. now this may not be a subject to debate, but it's an idea i had and i just wanted to see what people think about it. isn't it possible that intelligent life evolved on this earth? i mean an additional species of intelligent individuals. what if horses, or any race for that matter, evolved into an intelligent species like humans? think it sounds possible?

to be honest, i just want to hear what jokerman has to say about it because i find his posts in this forum very interesting :thumb: lol. i guess the idea is far out there, but it is a possibility, don't you think? or do you think that if another race evolved into an intelligent lifeform, natural selection would uncheck the human box?

Who's to say animals aren't intelligent? Is it because they don't speak our language? I'm curious.

 

[ARon]

Many Animals are intelligent but not on our level.
Truthfully as long as we are here i dont think another animal can evolve somehow to our type of intelligence, we would surely kill it or ruin the possibility of it becoming something.
Some can also say in someways animals are beyond our intelligence, physically. Speech for example, Elephants can communicate for miles, we communicate for hundreds of yards.
But if an animals brain can evolve to proccess and think like ours then yeah, i could see it happening as long as it is needed.

 

[Preach]

Who's to say animals aren't intelligent? Is it because they don't speak our language? I'm curious.

don't be so difficult, you know what i mean. walk, talk, watch movies and have sex for pleasure. feel jealous of other horses with bigger hooves, and so on. you get what i mean lol.

 

[Salar]

Animals have the intelligence capacity that suits them. Like did you know when birds are singing and stuff all they're doing is letting others know that they are there. pretty much all they are saying is "i'm here, i'm here, i'm here" this allows their 'friends' to know that they are in a group. That's all they need, they don't need to hold a conversation between each other.
ALl animals are like this, they have the intelligence to cater for their own survival. The same goes for human.

And rizzle, good post, i like it

 

[Preach]

monkeys actually talk. monkey language is like infants talking. if a baby wants to say "my daddy", it might say "dada". "that is my toy, give it to me" could be the baby pointing at a toy and saying "me" or whatever. monkeys conversate in the same way. i just mentioned it becayse people talked about birds and elephants..

but to further make myself clear, the idea was that instead of finding "intelligent" life in space, we could find it here on earth. or do you think that natural selection only allows one species with superior intelligence in a world?

 

[TecK NeeX]

No i dont believe any species did or would evolve into a whole different kind of species. Fact is the fossil record does not contain a single intermediate form. I think it would be necessary to find remnants of all perhaps billions of unsuccessful mutations and adaptations which failed to compete successfully and eventually died out. But fossil records have not detected evidence of all or even any of these many failed species and biological versions which would have to be there if the theory of natural selection were true.

however, The fossil record does infact show all species that have been found appear suddenly in the fossil record and is not preceded by the species that is directly ancestral to it. They disappear some time later, without leaving a directly descended species.

These complex forms of animals appear to have been suddenly placed here. Just look at the Cambrian period for example, the so-called explosion that filled this world with the Earth's first complex creatures shows that these animals were as distinct from each other as they are today. All were already in an advanced state of evolution the very first time they appear. It is as though they were just planted there, without any evolutionary history. and they Were

 

[Bender]

!! I hope we don't have to look to the stars for intelligent life, it sounds degrading.

Aren't monkey's intelligent? Maybe not as much as us but still ...


I get the feeling that searching space has its purpose, but is ultimately futile. I won't expand on that.

 

[Preach]

No i dont believe any species did or would evolve into a whole different kind of species. Fact is the fossil record does not contain a single intermediate form. I think it would be necessary to find remnants of all perhaps billions of unsuccessful mutations and adaptations which failed to compete successfully and eventually died out. But fossil records have not detected evidence of all or even any of these many failed species and biological versions which would have to be there if the theory of natural selection were true.

however, The fossil record does infact show all species that have been found appear suddenly in the fossil record and is not preceded by the species that is directly ancestral to it. They disappear some time later, without leaving a directly descended species.

These complex forms of animals appear to have been suddenly placed here. Just look at the Cambrian period for example, the so-called explosion that filled this world with the Earth's first complex creatures shows that these animals were as distinct from each other as they are today. All were already in an advanced state of evolution the very first time they appear. It is as though they were just planted there, without any evolutionary history. and they Were

well yeah, i meant maybe in a million years or something. i don't see it happening, i'm just exploring the idea of it being possible. because it is not impossible, is it? or what if a different type of monkey turns into an intelligent lifeform on our level? like, say our ancestors are chimps.. what if one of those little monkeys, or gorillas, turned into a new type of humans in the next million years? they wouldn't look exactly like us.

 

[Glockmatic]

monkeys are intelligent, but not as intelligent as us. I don't see them flying in planes, writing books or inventing things. The only way we'll find intelligent life is 1) 100% check of life on this planet 2) wait for intelligent life to come to us or 3) go out and look for them.

 

[TecK NeeX]

well yeah, i meant maybe in a million years or something. i don't see it happening, i'm just exploring the idea of it being possible. because it is not impossible, is it?

I dont believe it is possible, I base this on the fact that all species we see today and the species that existed long before us appear fully formed and complete, no evidence of half this and half that species. The fossil record supplies us with evidence of almost all of these 'complete' animals, but none of the supposed links of for example, life to non-life, fish to amphibian, amphibian to reptile, or reptile to birds. The fact that such evidence does not exist and no transitional links or intermediate forms between various kinds of creatures have ever been found leaves me to believe that these speciers did not evolve but indeed were created fully formed and perfected species.

So to answer your question, No i dont believe in a million years we will see horses or monkeys evolve into human-like intelligent life forms. Species have been around for billions of years and yet we have no evidence whatsoever of any kind of animal evolving into a completely different creature, why should it be any different in say a million years?

I do however believe that there is life in some form on other planets in the galaxies. Are they any less or more intelligent than us? Until scientific means become more sophisticated no one will really know for sure

 

[Preach]

I dont believe it is possible, I base this on the fact that all species we see today and the species that existed long before us appear fully formed and complete, no evidence of half this and half that species. The fossil record supplies us with evidence of almost all of these 'complete' animals, but none of the supposed links of for example, life to non-life, fish to amphibian, amphibian to reptile, or reptile to birds. The fact that such evidence does not exist and no transitional links or intermediate forms between various kinds of creatures have ever been found leaves me to believe that these speciers did not evolve but indeed were created fully formed and perfected species.

So to answer your question, No i dont believe in a million years we will see horses or monkeys evolve into human-like intelligent life forms. Species have been around for billions of years and yet we have no evidence whatsoever of any kind of animal evolving into a completely different creature, why should it be any different in say a million years?
I do however believe that there is life in some form on other planets in the galaxies. Are they any less or more intelligent than us? Until scientific means become more sophisticated no one will really know for sure

your points are okay. like you say there is no proof for anything so no matter what you believe, well like i said, there is no proof for it so it's just belief. interesting viewpoint though.

yeah, i too believe there is life on other planets in the universe.

 

[TecK NeeX]

your points are okay. like you say there is no proof for anything so no matter what you believe, well like i said, there is no proof for it so it's just belief. interesting viewpoint though.

Yup at the end of the day it all comes down to personal belief. I have no problem with people believing in evolution, it just bothers me when they claim their belief in the theory is based on scientific fact when its clearly based on just the opposite. This is why i believe evolution takes on the color of a religion more than "science".

 

[Cooper]

monkeys are intelligent, but not as intelligent as us. I don't see them flying in planes, writing books or inventing things. The only way we'll find intelligent life is 1) 100% check of life on this planet 2) wait for intelligent life to come to us or 3) go out and look for them.

nor we're we 20,000 years ago...give them time and there's no reason why they could evolve into intelligent species (although that depnds on the definition of intelligent...all animals have various levels of intelligence)

 

[Glockmatic]

nor we're we 20,000 years ago...give them time and there's no reason why they could evolve into intelligent species (although that depnds on the definition of intelligent...all animals have various levels of intelligence)

they'll be killed off by us before they can evolve to be intelligent enough. 20,000 years ago we were still intelligent enough to harnass fire, to create arrows for hunting and axes for battle.

 

[Cooper]

we'll have killed off each other before we kill of them.

 

[Bender]

!! I hope we don't have to look to the stars for intelligent life, it sounds degrading.

Aren't monkey's intelligent? Maybe not as much as us but still ...


I get the feeling that searching space has its purpose, but is ultimately futile. I won't expand on that.

Please note my comment was on Astronomy, not Astrology. There is a fine difference.

 

[Butt Rubber]

99.999999 of all stars that are either the same size of the sun, or larger, have planets

ofcoruse intelligent life exists

 

[Minardi]

I believe some sea creatures like the octopus might evolve into something really intelligent, it got the tentacles to create and form things and is a quite clever creature, if the humans didnt have the hands (especially the thump) we wouldnt have evolved the way we did, but will the tentacles be as importent for them as the hands where for us. As a sidenote intelligent life in water would look totally diffrent then in air, where fire meant hell of alot for us humans, what would sea creatures be able to control in a way that would help them advance further?

octopuses have developed other stuff like camouflage, fleeing using ink clouds, using seashells as shields, thier speed, strong tentacles with good grip, and a brain like no other in the sea, also dolphins are quite clever but needs something wich can hold things similar to a hand or tentacles

Also small insects like ants and bees are quite significant in the ways they "built" up and controll thier empires, the ant as an examble have farms in thier nests where they grow mushrooms and farm it, is things like that based on instinct? i would believe so, but still quite facinating.