Impeach Bush? Shut Up, Please.

Eric

Well-Known Member
#1
I wrote this on a bulletin at school for because there were kids that were annoying me just as some people in Words of Wisdom so I thought I'd share...

Foreword: I'm not a Bush fan and I'm not a republican (just incase the title mislead you).

I am from the Washington D.C. area and I'm frequently there for various activities, but I once recently went during the day and I soon realized why I should only be going to D.C. for the nightlife. As I got on the Metro, 5 minutes into the ride, everyone aboard was receiving a piece of paper with lyrics to an anti-Bush song to the tune of Wizard of Oz. I WAS ON A TRAIN WITH 50+ UNTRAINED SINGERS SINGING ABOUT POLITICS. I repeat, this is why I stick to the nightlife (when the hippies go home). Washington D.C. is without question the place to get your voice heard as a civilian when it comes to politics so you're bound to run into this sort of thing every once in awhile. But at some point you have to draw the line between protesting on moral grounds and protesting on your outrage of an opinion. The Civil Rights movement is a prime example of moral protesting. It was right. It was good. This whole 'Impeach Bush!' movement is rediculous. I'm not Pro-Bush and I'm not republican so I hope you aren't brushing off what I say as being right-winged.

When I got off the Metro, there were thousands of people protesting with signs and megaphones. Most of the protesters were 20-somethings, who were democrats probably angry at the world, trying to find a voice, and just trying to 'make love not war'. I'll keep the 10 year old who was wearing a sandwich board impeachbush.org advert, and whoever the idiot was that put it on this child, out of it. I think I just became annoyed because I got the impression these 20-somethings were ill-informed. And I don't think there's anything that annoys me more than a person who acts like they know what they're talking about. I must ask...what has this kind of protesting ever achieved? If you really want to make a difference, go become somebody: get a doctorate so people will listen to you with validity or run for office. Otherwise... SHUT THE HELL UP, PLEASE!!!

What good would an impeachment do? That's actually a theoretical idea so let's get back to that question in a minute. I say theoretical because it will not happen. Get your opinion out of the way, stop with the propaganda, and let's go back to the basics. The Constitution states that you can only be impeached on the grounds of 'treason, bribery, or other high-crimes and misdemeanors'. Is he guilty of treason? No. Is he guilty of bribery? No. Is he guilty of high-crimes and misdemeanors? No. Do you KNOW what that is? Basically, it's trying to overthrow the country, tampering with election outcomes, aiding enemies, etc. There isn't really a clear legal definition of high-crimes but those are the basic ideas and it's generally left up to Congress to determine what's impeachable or not. Key point: If Congress thought he has done something impeach-worthy, they would have carried through with it. So there you have it. In a nutshell, he's done nothing worthy of an impeachment.

I had to do some research and find out what some of these people's reasoning was for this and there was another element to it...war crimes. 'Impeachment on the grounds of war crimes and the crimes against humanity' I believe is what they are saying. There are tons of war crimes, but what they are getting at are two things: one, the killing of innocent people. Are you kidding me? Grow up and stop saying that cliché nonsense. War isn't pretty. People die and it is a very, very unfortunate price to pay. But it's not a war crime unless it's intentional. Two, torture or inhumane treatment. Alright, you have a point, but a very faint and nonsensical one at that. As I said previously, an impeachable offense has no definite legal defintion so it's up for interpretation by the Congress. So if you think someone would impeach the President for bullying around a few radicals, well, it almost seems unpatriotic.

Finally, let's talk briefly about this theoretical impeachment. Do you understand how long the impeachment process would be? Do you realize that it would be pointless because of that? When Clinton was impeached, the House took a year to gather the evidence. A year! The impeachment process itself is relatively short. So let's say it would probably last 1.5 years. If this went down today, he would have been impeached 5 months before his term is up. Pointless. And if the process was short? Then you'd have Cheney as President who is potentially worse than Bush. Want to impeach him, too? Fine. Now you have Nancy Pelosi as President. She isn't going to solve your problems. She isn't exactly for the war, but she wouldn't get the troops out of Iraq before the end of the present term. No matter who becomes President next, they will get the troops out as soon as they can, you can bet on that. The war is so unfavorable that no nominee would get voted if they didn't.

Let Bush run is miserable term. We have less than two years left. You can't impeach a President because you don't agree with his decisions as Commander in Chief. As James Madison said, impeachment is for criminal behavior, not incompetence.
 

Chronic

Well-Known Member
#3
Your English is terrible. Now that that's out of the way ... I agree. Most people saying it are just on the bandwagon and have no real knowledge of the situation (then again neither do I so my opinion means fuck all).

But Bush isn't even the problem, the fact that he got elected twice is, so fuck an impeachment.
 
#8
Chronic said:
But Bush isn't even the problem, the fact that he got elected twice is, so fuck an impeachment.
But did he really get elected twice? 2004 was bullshit in Ohio the elections were rigged, i laugh at the fact that the voting machines used the company that makes them was Bush's no. 1 campaign donors durin the 04 elections. Florida too was shady with the recount in Florida, he honestly never should've been elected.


Big Easy if you're gonna label most Anti Bush supporters as 20 some olds with nothin better to do in life then bitch and moan, then proceed to assume what they're thinkin.. shut up with that nonsense.

Thanks to Dubya our president, our foreign relations with other countries has been pulverized to just the normal boring ass allies we've had for decades. The war in Iraq was started on false pretenses, and now 5 years later, shit hasn't happened. We got Saddam, whoop de fuckin do, Enemy forces in Iraq have increased dramatically since 2001, what a great success. This is George Bush's war and he should finish this bullshit before he leaves office rather than hand it off to someone else.

And James Madison i now consider a dumbass for that quote you mentioned. If a man isn't fit to rule a nation, how is that not grounds for impeachment. It's like any other job, if you can't do it correctly you get canned. Impeachment will never happen unfortunately but who the hell cares if ppl still ask for it, they're voicin their opinion.
 

Eric

Well-Known Member
#9
Mo_Murda said:
Big Easy if you're gonna label most Anti Bush supporters as 20 some olds with nothin better to do in life then bitch and moan, then proceed to assume what they're thinkin.. shut up with that nonsense.

Thanks to Dubya our president, our foreign relations with other countries has been pulverized to just the normal boring ass allies we've had for decades. The war in Iraq was started on false pretenses, and now 5 years later, shit hasn't happened. We got Saddam, whoop de fuckin do, Enemy forces in Iraq have increased dramatically since 2001, what a great success. This is George Bush's war and he should finish this bullshit before he leaves office rather than hand it off to someone else.

And James Madison i now consider a dumbass for that quote you mentioned. If a man isn't fit to rule a nation, how is that not grounds for impeachment. It's like any other job, if you can't do it correctly you get canned. Impeachment will never happen unfortunately but who the hell cares if ppl still ask for it, they're voicin their opinion.
I said that most Bush haters are twenty-somethings, you're right. Go look at voting demographics from the last election and stop spitting nonsense at me. I'm not stereotyping, it's the truth, sir.

You also fall into the category of morons if you think James Madison is a 'dumbass'. You might be the only one I've ever heard of who has atleast half of a brain that wants to impeach the president on the grounds that he's doing a bad job (which is your opinion anyway). If you want to place blame on anybody, place it on the people. This is a democracy, not a dictatorship where we just have a rebellion to overthrow a leader. The people voted him into power. And do not attempt to give me the bull about Ohio voting. You have basically said that George Bush rigged the Ohio voting system in his favor. Do you realize how stupid that sounds? Are you 16? If people actually thought that, more specifically Congress, he would have been impeached.

You are no better than these people that go around yelling impeach bush. You, sir, know absolutely noting about politics. And you call James Madison a dumbass? Leave the fucking country.
 

hizzle?

Well-Known Member
Staff member
#11
Prize Gotti said:
cos you're an american :D
heheeeheheheeee.


Improve your tone and some of the words you use (ie dont say "shut the hell up")

You have great ideas and you explain them well, it's just the tone(syntax, grammar) that make it sound like you are a redneck.

Try being less direct and sarcastic, people will read your stuff and take it seriously.
 
#12
Big Easy said:
You are no better than these people that go around yelling impeach bush. You, sir, know absolutely noting about politics. And you call James Madison a dumbass? Leave the fucking country.
LMAO, i never said Bush should be impeached, i'm not pushin for it cuz you're right, its not gonna happen, it takes too fuckin long... Don't tell me i know nothin about politics, when all you've said is people vote the president in, and james madison is a god, does that make you a politial science major?

And god forbid i'm allowed to have my own opinions on certain people, if you're a leader of somethin you obviously need to be competent to lead, if you can't you're canned.. accordin to James Madison that is apparently not the case.. so therefore i think he's a dumbass, quit bitchin about it and get over it I'm not leavin the country.

And of course Bush didn't by himself throw the 2004 elections, the RNC helped do it..

http://www.rollingstone.com/news/story/10432334/was_the_2004_election_stolen

read that shit then attempt to explain how nothin ever happened to rob Kerry of many votes..
 

S. Fourteen

Well-Known Member
#13
The rigging was done to balance out the number of hate votes. You know "Get Bush Out! Vote!"

You can post an article from RollingStones (a magazine incapable of getting their Top 100 Albums list right) with a question as a title and make a statement but the rigging thing is just another justification for the hate. You really hate the war because the TV is telling you it's really bad and things are getting worse. Bush admitted to the mistakes he made and he's sending troops in attempt to stablize things. So, lets try to ride out these last days and get your Clinton/Obama bumper stickers ready.
 
#14
S. Fourteen said:
Bush admitted to the mistakes he made and he's sending troops in attempt to stablize things. So, lets try to ride out these last days and get your Clinton/Obama bumper stickers ready.
Don't tell me why i feel a certain way, you don't know me.. and hell no i don't get my opinions from TV, they're all biased in some way or another.

Bush realized he made a mistake, 5 years after it was made and 3,000 plus troops less.. and since he came on TV and admitted it, everything is all better? Sending more troops is not the answer and whose to say it'll stabilize things.
 

Eric

Well-Known Member
#15
Mo_Murda said:
Don't tell me why i feel a certain way, you don't know me.. and hell no i don't get my opinions from TV, they're all biased in some way or another.

Bush realized he made a mistake, 5 years after it was made and 3,000 plus troops less.. and since he came on TV and admitted it, everything is all better? Sending more troops is not the answer and whose to say it'll stabilize things.
Who said it was right??? WHO? NO ONE. But it's not grounds for impeachment. And that is what you want.
 

Preach

Well-Known Member
#16
Big Easy said:
Who said it was right??? WHO? NO ONE. But it's not grounds for impeachment. And that is what you want.
he basically is to blame for a lot of unnecessary death. while a rather entertaining execution video came out of the whole ordeal, that doesn't mean Bush didn't order thousands of soldiers to their death.

Bush didn't directly commit a crime, but he did abuse his mandate.
 

Kareem

Active Member
#17
Preach said:
he basically is to blame for a lot of unnecessary death. while a rather entertaining execution video came out of the whole ordeal, that doesn't mean Bush didn't order thousands of soldiers to their death.

Bush didn't directly commit a crime, but he did abuse his mandate.
:thumb: I don't agree with impeaching him now, its too late an he's a lame duck as it is anyway. But he is by far innocent an there are many things he could be brought up on charges for, breach of peace, crimes against humanity, bullshitting the public to the 3rd degree:laugh: would be nice to see him snatched off to the Hague (sp) once he's outa office.
 

S. Fourteen

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#18
Mo_Murda said:
Don't tell me why i feel a certain way, you don't know me.. and hell no i don't get my opinions from TV, they're all biased in some way or another.

Bush realized he made a mistake, 5 years after it was made and 3,000 plus troops less.. and since he came on TV and admitted it, everything is all better? Sending more troops is not the answer and whose to say it'll stabilize things.
I know the type.

Americans (and others in the world) have short term memory issues. Majority of the people that represents Americans voted for the action in Iraq. And except for the "badness of war" part, there weren't many outraged people. It's easy for you to point the finger after reading the reports. If you hate Bush, do you hate yourself for not doing anything before the fact?

Many Americans say President's decision to send more troops is too little too late.. YEAH FUCKING RIGHT (not directed to mo murda), like you'd have agreed to sending more troops years ago. Give me a break. These same politicians that voted for the war is probably against it now. At least they represent their people well.
 
#19
S. Fourteen said:
I know the type.

Americans (and others in the world) have short term memory issues. Majority of the people that represents Americans voted for the action in Iraq. And except for the "badness of war" part, there weren't many outraged people. It's easy for you to point the finger after reading the reports. If you hate Bush, do you hate yourself for not doing anything before the fact?

Many Americans say President's decision to send more troops is too little too late.. YEAH FUCKING RIGHT (not directed to mo murda), like you'd have agreed to sending more troops years ago. Give me a break. These same politicians that voted for the war is probably against it now. At least they represent their people well.
Nah i dont hate myself, i was 14 at the time the war began, what could any 14 year old do to change things and be taken seriously? Not sayin that at that age i was still against it, cuz i didn't know shit about politics.

Obviously everyone was for the war in the beginning, they supposively had Weapons of Mass Destruction, and what happened on 9/11 definitely swayed a lot of people over to the war... if that was proven the case and there was WMD, no one would be against the war.. But now its like, alright 5 years after the war has started, what have we accomplished? That is why people are fed up with the damn war, and just increasin teh number of troops isn't gonna solve shit, it'll mean more casualties, even more insurgents, more bombings, etc;

Its time to cut losses and find a more peacful way to endin this war as soon as possible.
 

PuffnScruff

Well-Known Member
#20
Mo_Murda said:
Nah i dont hate myself, i was 14 at the time the war began, what could any 14 year old do to change things and be taken seriously? Not sayin that at that age i was still against it, cuz i didn't know shit about politics.

Obviously everyone was for the war in the beginning, they supposively had Weapons of Mass Destruction, and what happened on 9/11 definitely swayed a lot of people over to the war... if that was proven the case and there was WMD, no one would be against the war.. But now its like, alright 5 years after the war has started, what have we accomplished? That is why people are fed up with the damn war, and just increasin teh number of troops isn't gonna solve shit, it'll mean more casualties, even more insurgents, more bombings, etc;

Its time to cut losses and find a more peacful way to endin this war as soon as possible.
there have actually been a good number of accomplishments. i would encourage you to read up on them and dont look towards the MSM because you wont find it talked about in a media with an agenda.

increasing the number of troops will actually do some good but the number is too low.

and we cant cut our losses. that is the dumbest thing that we could do. there is no peaceful way of ending this in iraq. if we leave we will go right back in just as quick as we came out. if we leave it can only get worse and it will. then we are going back in and fighting an enemy that has been funding the fight against us and supplying weapons to those fighting against us...iran.
 

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