"I Hate Gay people" Tim Hardaway

SicC

Dying Breed
Staff member
#1
As David Stern talked on the telephone on Tuesday, there resonated a ripple of relief over the revelations of John Amaechi. All that the commissioner needed was a knucklehead to let loose on a non-star's sexuality, and he would've spent his sport's biggest party week defending the sensibilities of his sport.

Somehow, the NBA had sidestepped the opening round of reaction to a backup center stepping out of the shadows. Truth be told, the silliest sound bites were mostly spit out of the mouth of scrubs, low-lighted by the 76ers' Shav Randolph saying he could tolerate a homosexual teammate as long as he didn't bring that "gayness on me."

"I don't make much of a particular twentysomething player or two who have a microphone thrown in their face," Stern said.

In the NBA, the commissioner would say, "The question is: Do you have game?"

As it turned out, there wouldn't be such a clean getaway. Here came Tim Hardaway on Wednesday night, calling into Dan Le Batard's radio show in Miami and letting loose. The old Heat star happened to be in Vegas working on behalf of – and no, you can't make this up – the NBA Cares program.

"You know, I hate gay people, so I let it be known," Hardaway blurted. "I don't like gay people and I don't like to be around gay people. I'm homophobic. I don't like it. It shouldn't be in the world or in the United States."

Once Hardaway got started, there was no stopping him on the issue of a gay teammate in the NBA. He wouldn't stand for it. The way he talked, it sounded like he expected people to be cheering him on.

"First of all, I wouldn't want him on my team. And second of all, if he was on my team, I would, you know, really distance myself from him because, uh, I don't think that is right. I don't think he should be in the locker room while we are in the locker room."

And on and on Hardaway went, until he had talked himself out of ever working in the NBA again, until he made the faint debate of Amaechi into a bigger, if not clumsier, discussion. Hardaway's hate is sad and shameful and maybe the most worthwhile thing that could've surfaced on this issue because we're always better off knowing the truth that simmers within people.

Even if, like this, it is hard to hear.

"Finally," Amaechi said later, "someone who is honest."

Amaechi would go onto say that it's those kind words that create a climate where it's all right for young gay people in schools to get harassed, for those in a lot of walks of life and professions – far from NBA locker rooms – to realize once again that they have no choice but to keep so much of themselves a secret.

Sports had long been a prism in which to study the great societal issues. In a lot of ways, the start of the civil rights movement in America had been pushed along with Jackie Robinson breaking baseball's color line. Only now, the revelation of Amaechi – unimpressive player, impressive man – had probably done little to advance the cause of acceptance until Hardaway started talking on the radio. Now everyone gets to think about what Hardaway had to say, about what he feels, and consider how it fits or stands in contrast with their own sensibilities.

As Stern told me the other day: "This is a nation that is quasi focused on various ramifications of the issue, like partner benefits and gay marriage. It's a hot-button issue all around."

Listen, stupidity in sports and society doesn't know the limits of Hardaway's mind. This time, he happened to be the vessel. In the East, there's a college basketball coach who has a reputation for telling recruits that an opposing bachelor coach is gay. He's done it to different coaches, and his warped thinking to the kids is unmistakable: Go play for those guys and run the risk of him trying to get into your shorts.

Of course, there are gay college basketball coaches, and only an idiot would believe that leaves his players vulnerable to some kind of inappropriate advances. Homosexuality doesn't translate into predatory behavior anymore than heterosexuality does. And this coach is supposed to be an educator, a molder of men. As long as there are coaches conducting themselves that way, there promises to be another generation of Hardaways spit up through the system.

So here comes a weekend on the Vegas strip where the NBA and its players get to take a good long, look at themselves. Around every corner, temptations await. Maybe there wasn't much to think about on the way into the All-Star weekend party, but on some level, Tim Hardaway did everyone a favor and changed that.

He hates gays, and thus proclaimed, "Let it be known."

So, who's with him in the NBA?

Deep down, most of us probably aren't prepared to hear the answer.
 

FroDawgg

Well-Known Member
#3
i think his apology was kind of fake. i mean, this is an issue he has thought about his whole life, and especially since amaechi came out, so he knew what he was gonna say if asked. it's not like it was a slip of the tongue. i think he's only apologizing because of the backlash. he feels the way he feels and, although i don't share his views, he has the right to feel that way. i just think he should've of thought of the reactions before he spoke.
 

SicC

Dying Breed
Staff member
#4
I dont know how he can sit there an apologize after what he said he only did it to try and keep his job with the NBA wich he lost anyhow.

pz
 

hizzle?

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Staff member
#7
And wasn't Rodman gay??? I mean the dude boned Madonna, but I wouldnt be surprised if he had some boyfriends
 
#10
eh...The mans got a right to his own opnion. Nobody HAS TO like anybody if they don't want to. If the man doesn't want to like gay people he doesn't have to. It's a free country he can speak his mind if he wants to. I don't know what happend but it seems as if in the past few years we are losing our ability to express our own opnions....so whatever happend to our freedom of speach? I think we should still have it without having to appologise just because somebody else didn't like what we have to say.
 
#11
Ms L said:
eh...The mans got a right to his own opnion. Nobody HAS TO like anybody if they don't want to. If the man doesn't want to like gay people he doesn't have to. It's a free country he can speak his mind if he wants to. I don't know what happend but it seems as if in the past few years we are losing our ability to express our own opnions....so whatever happend to our freedom of speach? I think we should still have it without having to appologise just because somebody else didn't like what we have to say.
Its one thing to have an opinion its another to use it to get it out to the public cuz of your position, his job isn't to comment on hating gay's his job is to commentate basketball.. he blatantly abused that power when he went ape tits on how homophobic he was. on national TV, he didn't sign a contract to do that... thats where you draw the line on freedom of speech
 

Sebastian

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#12
Ms L said:
eh...The mans got a right to his own opnion. Nobody HAS TO like anybody if they don't want to. If the man doesn't want to like gay people he doesn't have to. It's a free country he can speak his mind if he wants to. I don't know what happend but it seems as if in the past few years we are losing our ability to express our own opnions....so whatever happend to our freedom of speach? I think we should still have it without having to appologise just because somebody else didn't like what we have to say.
You misunderstood the concept of freedom of speech.
 

Prize Gotti

Boots N Cats
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#13
Ms L said:
eh...The mans got a right to his own opnion. Nobody HAS TO like anybody if they don't want to. If the man doesn't want to like gay people he doesn't have to. It's a free country he can speak his mind if he wants to. I don't know what happend but it seems as if in the past few years we are losing our ability to express our own opnions....so whatever happend to our freedom of speach? I think we should still have it without having to appologise just because somebody else didn't like what we have to say.
He may have freedom of speech, but the line is drawn when he uses that freedom to discriminate against some one. If Some one called Hardaway a Nigga and what not, it would be the same thing.
 

SicC

Dying Breed
Staff member
#14
Ms L said:
eh...The mans got a right to his own opnion. Nobody HAS TO like anybody if they don't want to. If the man doesn't want to like gay people he doesn't have to. It's a free country he can speak his mind if he wants to. I don't know what happend but it seems as if in the past few years we are losing our ability to express our own opnions....so whatever happend to our freedom of speach? I think we should still have it without having to appologise just because somebody else didn't like what we have to say.
You have no idea what your talking about your idea of freedom of speech is incorrect in many aspects of this case.

pz
 

Kareem

Active Member
#15
Ms L said:
eh...The mans got a right to his own opnion. Nobody HAS TO like anybody if they don't want to. If the man doesn't want to like gay people he doesn't have to. It's a free country he can speak his mind if he wants to. I don't know what happend but it seems as if in the past few years we are losing our ability to express our own opnions....so whatever happend to our freedom of speach? I think we should still have it without having to appologise just because somebody else didn't like what we have to say.
I couldn't agree with you more! I know I'm gonna be in the minority here but oh well, some of you are confused if you don't think what Tim Hardaway said was protected by his first amendment right, then you really need to take some law an government classes. Case in point, the Klu Klux Klan and the American neo Nazi's are all given the freedom of speech when they hold rallies out on public an spew their hateful ideals, according the first amendment you are allowed to say what you want to say as long as it does not incite violence or fear, both mentioned groups do both but are still protected but Tim Hardaway says he doesn't like gays or "hates" gays an he faces this huge backlash an a bunch a tree hugging hippies all wanna wanna condemn him? people need to get their damn priorities straight, I could understand had he said something along the lines of wishing harm up on them or trying to incite people to go out an commit harmful acts against the gay community but he didn't he simply stated how he felt and because he's a celebrity theres a huge uproar.

The thing is Ms.L has a point it seems more and more rights are disappearing, Habeas Corpus is becoming non existent. I guess some of you would be happy if there was a law that said "Everyone must think alike, speak alike , and embrace the gay community with open arms" So says I King George Bush the 2nd this day in April 2007. All I'm saying is the shit is ridiculous an David Stern needs to be replaced as it is, he's made the NBA so boring an lame.
 
#16
No I understand and I agree he should have stuck to basketball only. I never actually heard the discussion from start to finish. I've only READ exerpts from the interview or whatever. Anyways I didn't misunderstand anything and I agree he abused his power as a public figure to get his opinion out there. I don't appreciate the insult of being told I have no idea what I am talking about beause I do know. So thanks for the insult but no thanks!
 

Chronic

Well-Known Member
#17
Ms L said:
No I understand and I agree he should have stuck to basketball only. I never actually heard the discussion from start to finish. I've only READ exerpts from the interview or whatever. Anyways I didn't misunderstand anything and I agree he abused his power as a public figure to get his opinion out there. I don't appreciate the insult of being told I have no idea what I am talking about beause I do know. So thanks for the insult but no thanks!
You seem awfully touchy for someone who's was preaching freedom of speech just a while ago.
 

The.Menace

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Staff member
#18
Ms L said:
eh...The mans got a right to his own opnion. Nobody HAS TO like anybody if they don't want to. If the man doesn't want to like gay people he doesn't have to. It's a free country he can speak his mind if he wants to. I don't know what happend but it seems as if in the past few years we are losing our ability to express our own opnions....so whatever happend to our freedom of speach? I think we should still have it without having to appologise just because somebody else didn't like what we have to say.
He said what he said, he won't go to jail for it. So that's freedom of speech, but still I do believe that his statment was stupid and I hope most people agree with me.
 

SicC

Dying Breed
Staff member
#19
Ms L said:
No I understand and I agree he should have stuck to basketball only. I never actually heard the discussion from start to finish. I've only READ exerpts from the interview or whatever. Anyways I didn't misunderstand anything and I agree he abused his power as a public figure to get his opinion out there. I don't appreciate the insult of being told I have no idea what I am talking about beause I do know. So thanks for the insult but no thanks!
Gets out his Violin. Maybe you should take the time to listen to and or find better litature on the net before you comment on something.

pz
 

SicC

Dying Breed
Staff member
#20
The.Menace said:
He said what he said, he won't go to jail for it. So that's freedom of speech, but still I do believe that his statment was stupid and I hope most people agree with me.
Its a damn shame to see a super star use his position with the NBA (wich he no longer holds)to voice his own personal beliefs.

pz
 

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