Hypocrisy (Though I'm Not Surprised)

[AmerikazMost]

3.. I work hard because millions on welfare depend on me!

This is from a thread in Our Block, and the first thing that popped into my head is why wouldn't anyone want to help out their fellow man. Then I thought, "It's not very Christian of them," and then the bullshit detector started flashing.

It's not very often that I say something that sets me off, it's usually some dumbass American who hears one thing on Fox and joins a cult to stand up for his new belief. But when I thought that, I realized that Christianity is used to support so many other standpoints, so why not this one?

I used to take CCD (basiacally Sunday School) in 8th grade. My teacher, who was obviously also Catholic as I was, supported Bush because he was against abortion. So did every other Catholic it seemed like. They supported Bush because they were against abortion and so was he. So if you can hand your country over to a fucking moron based on your religious beliefs, why can't you give up a little of your salary to help the less fortunate like Jesus did?

Jesus dedicated his entire life to helping those who needed it. How much do you think he had saved up in his bank account when he died? Every Catholic or big time Christian is so quick to denounce abortion or whatever because it's not what God would want, but would God want you bitching about something so trivial while good people suffer?

Were any of you scratching for dinner while Clinton was President? Will a couple dollars really make that much of a difference for you? Probably not, but it will for for families like Pac's when he was a kid. But then again, you might not be able to upgrade from your Vette to a Porsche if your taxes are too high.

 

[Missy "C"]

I agree with you, in a normal and well-organised country paying taxes to help the less fortunate is excellent, but the situation is different here, in Argentina.

Most people don't pay taxes, so they are too high for those who do pay them; but the real problem is that the goverment gives almost all of that money to the "less fortunate": people who don't like working, who prefer asking for money than making an effort to obtain it. Those who have serious problems (like old people, who worked all their lives) are ignored. And honest people get nothing from the taxes they pay: public hospitals and schools are terrible, crime is getting worse everyday, we have lots of problems as a result of that. Besides, politicians continue earning huge salaries, so that they can go on holidays to New York, buy luxury cars, etc.

The whole situation makes me feel sooo angry, it's so unfair. There's a lot of people who don't have anything to eat, they live in the streets, and they need help inmediately. But money is given to those who doesn't deserve it. I'd pay my taxes happily if I new that that people receive aid, but the only ones who seems to benefit here are politicians. This has been always like this, it's not going to change.

 

[AnarchistFunk]

I might not have the same religious beliefs as you, but I agree with what you're saying 100% AmerikazMost.

Greed is basically what the world has come down to. It's good to have a ego to help make yourself feel good and shit about what you do good in life, but when it makes you want everything for just you too its out of hand.

When I was Rastafarian I read the bible every sabith, and even though I don't look in the bible as awhole in the same way I did before , I won't say there isn't lots of knowledge in there, and someone who claims to believe in the bible and not want to help out their fellow human being you have to question if theyve actually ever sat down to read it for themselves or just let someone else tell them their interpatation.

 

[Luv4Pac4Ever]

Greed is basically what the world has come down to. It's good to have a ego to help make yourself feel good and shit about what you do good in life, but when it makes you want everything for just you too its out of hand.

I agree.

AmerikazMost:That line was in the list, and I just copied and pasted it so I hope you don't think that's how I feel personally. I work a full time job, 40+ hours/6 days a week and I still get aid from the government. Not aid as in I'm on welfare and the government pays for everything, but aid as in my kids are on Medicaid and I get food stamps. Though I don't get much, least not as much as some do, I'm still thankful that I get what I get. I can't even tell you how much money I would've had to fork out on hospitals, doctor visits, medicine, etc if my kids had not been on Medicaid. So that's what I'm most thankful for. The little bit of food stamps I get helps out alot buying groceries for 3 growing kids but it rarely lasts the whole month so I still hafta spend money for that anyways. By no means do I live off the government as I pay for my own housing, car, bills, and whatever else me and my kids hafta have out of my pocket. I took what I could get and I'm very thankful for it.
But, if my paying taxes helps out someone that's more needy, I have no problem with that. If they need it more than I do, and my taxes pays for that, then so be it. Yeah taxes are high nowadays but oh well, that's life and there's nothing you can do about it so there's no need bitching about it, ya know? It could be alot worse I guess.

 

[groobz]

Welfare is good for the people that need it. But i'm glad my country is slowly getting rid of it, it will force these winging wining dole bludging lazy pieces of shit to get off their asses and get a job.

 

[ARon]

Nice Post.
One thing that bothers me though is when people complain aobut taxes and then turn around and complain about schools or roads, things that taxes fix, hypocrisy as you say.

There are now relegious groups in my area trying to clean up our city, as they put it. Crazy things like no public transportation because they pollute and look bad. They want to make it so every house can't be to drastic in color, im talkin crazy shit. And people are actually buying into it because it is part of a relegious thing. I guess its ok if it benefits them, like no abortion, but if it is taking money out of their pockets or anything then it is bad, relegion is almost a joke now. So many believe but they dont know what they believe in.

 

[Default MX]

Haha nice post! .. love the bullshit detector part .. i use the phrase all the time myself :O

 

[AmerikazMost]

AmerikazMost:That line was in the list, and I just copied and pasted it so I hope you don't think that's how I feel personally.

Nah, I didn't think you agreed with it. :thumb:

Welfare is good for the people that need it. But i'm glad my country is slowly getting rid of it, it will force these winging wining dole bludging lazy pieces of shit to get off their asses and get a job.

There are people who take advantage of the system, but there are more people who need it. And doesn't unemployment stop coming in after a certain time? Gotta get a job sooner or later.

 

[Luv4Pac4Ever]

Yes, unemployment only lasts for a certain amount of time. I'm not sure how they do it but I think it has something to do with how long you worked at that job or it goes by what you've made from that job or something like that.
Welfare is good for the people that truly need it. Those that use it just to not have to get off their asses and work however, that's the people getting it that piss me off. I have no problem helping out someone in real need of it but I do have a problem with the ones that use the government's resources just so they can be lazy. Thank God for welfare reform. I'm not sure if it was state by state or what, but here, it used to be that you'd get more money for every kid you have. But now, you get so much money for one kid and a little more for two but after that, you don't get any extra money. So for those that sat on their asses and kept having babies just to get more money, the new way they're doing it isn't gonna help them. They can have all the babies they wanna have but they're not getting any more money for em. That was a good thing.

 

[MRDevious]

Welfare is good for the people that need it. But i'm glad my country is slowly getting rid of it, it will force these winging wining dole bludging lazy pieces of shit to get off their asses and get a job.

And for those that truly need it? If it was only as simple as that...

 

[MRDevious]

Nice Post.
One thing that bothers me though is when people complain aobut taxes and then turn around and complain about schools or roads, things that taxes fix, hypocrisy as you say
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I think it is very fair to complain about taxes and then complain about schools and roads. One thing that just pisses me off is when education funds get cut yet the politicians making these cuts still receive their raises....... WTF is going on there? Hell yeah i'm gonna complain!

 

[groobz]

And for those that truly need it? If it was only as simple as that...

like i said, welfare is good for the people that need it. But needs to have tighter restrictions to stop dole bludgers and imigrant bludgers getting a free ride.

 

[AmerikazMost]

I think it is very fair to complain about taxes and then complain about schools and roads. One thing that just pisses me off is when education funds get cut yet the politicians making these cuts still receive their raises....... WTF is going on there? Hell yeah i'm gonna complain!

But you're saying it's alright to complain about something you're not willing to pay to fix? Why complain if you don't want to do anything about it anyway?

 

[MRDevious]

like i said, welfare is good for the people that need it. But needs to have tighter restrictions to stop dole bludgers and imigrant bludgers getting a free ride.

I believe tighter restrictions have to be in place, but where do you draw the line?

 

[MRDevious]

But you're saying it's alright to complain about something you're not willing to pay to fix? Why complain if you don't want to do anything about it anyway?

What I am saying is that if I am going to pay taxes, let it go where it needs to be going! Don't use it for politicians to get raises and then turn around and cut funding in education and other places where it is needed. I don't want the money I am paying in taxes to go to buy the politician a new boat when the kid going to school can't even get a book.....

 

[AmerikazMost]

What I am saying is that if I am going to pay taxes, let it go where it needs to be going! Don't use it for politicians to get raises and then turn around and cut funding in education and other places where it is needed. I don't want the money I am paying in taxes to go to buy the politician a new boat when the kid going to school can't even get a book.....

Considering politicians have arguably the most important jobs in the country, they deserved to get paid what they do.

I do agree with you that these programs shouldn't be suffering in favor of a salary increase though, but it's not like that's a common thing. Salary increases can only happen so often and have to be approved by the legislatures.

 

[MRDevious]

Considering politicians have arguably the most important jobs in the country, they deserved to get paid what they do.

I do agree with you that these programs shouldn't be suffering in favor of a salary increase though, but it's not like that's a common thing. Salary increases can only happen so often and have to be approved by the legislatures.

Teachers have the most important jobs in the country..if not the world. They deserve to get paid more than anyone else (they are the ones that get everyone where they are).

It is a very common thing. If only people would follow the example attempted by Congressman Matheson:

http://www.house.gov/matheson/press2004/040914.html

Washington, D.C.- Congressman Jim Matheson took to the House floor today, the only Representative to speak in opposition to the FY '05 Member pay raise. Matheson urged his colleagues to reject a procedural move that would have granted the pay raise via HR 5025-Transportation, Treasury and Independent Agencies Appropriations Act. The increase amounts to 2.5% or $4,000.

The only opportunity for Congress to have an up or down vote on the raise is through a procedural vote. Matheson said Members must vote "no" on the Previous Question. If the Previous Question is defeated, Matheson said he would offer an amendment to the rule. His amendment would block the FY '05 automatic cost-of-living pay raise for Members of Congress.

"Now is not the time for Members of Congress to be voting themselves a pay raise," said Matheson. "Let us send a signal to the American people that Congress gets it. We face numerous spending priorities. None of them include raising salaries for Members of Congress."

Matheson said that in the event his efforts fail, he will once again be donating his pay raise to local Utah charities.