Holocaust Deniers Meet

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Don't see a problem. They're just getting together to discuss something they don't get a chance to in some countries in Europe.
 

Kareem

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#4
word. I don't deny it happened but I do think its gets brought up way too much. 6 million yeah thats a shit load but how many millions were killed during the African holocaust? much more in fact sharks still follow the trade routes of the slave ships from hundreds of years ago. Anyway just my opinion that its brought up way too much, yes it happened, yes it was horrible, yes we should never forget. I'm sure capt Israel aka Morris will chime in here in a sec haha its all good though.

Why the hell would anyone listen to what David Duke's retarded ass has to say anyway? His opinion is worth about as much as a pile of feces.
 
#5
Israel has little to do with the Holocaust, since Britain had already promised to establish a state of Israel 20 years before World War II, and Israel didn't exist until 1948.

Anyway, there's not really much to say about the meeting, other than the typical Iranian President threatens to destroy Israel headline. In America, the 1st Amendment is often seen as a person's right to make a fool out of himself. David Duke, David Irving etc. have been doing it for years.

Germany and Austria have rules against denying the Holocaust because the Holocaust was perpetrated there. That might be too heavy handed a method to deal with the matter though.

The simple facts: it happened. Let the morons pretend it didn't. Let them say it so they can be officially branded morons. And then stop paying attention to them.
 

Jokerman

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#6
Kareem said:
but how many millions were killed during the African holocaust?
It's not about numbers. The Jewish Holocaust was a program of genocide of an entire people by one state, while the goal of slavery was not extermination. The deaths were a side-effect of enslavement, with no single group responsible for it or for slavery. Africans enslaved Africans; Arabs enslaved Africans; and whites enslaved them, etc.

Why is it that the Jews don't go on about how they were enslaved for thousands of years by the Egyptians, Babylonians, Romans, Spain, etc., and that many more millions of them died as a result than died in the Holocaust? Why isn't that a tragedy to the Jews, or the world, worse than the Holocaust? For the same reason that the Africans killed because of slavery isn't on the same level, whether more died or not. It would be like comparing all the Japanese civilian casualties during four years of war with the casualties at Hiroshima. It's not the same thing, even when the non-Nuke casualties over four years may have been more. It has a special moral dimension to it. So too the Holocaust.

You think it gets brought up way too much? Apparently, it doesn't get brought up enough when we have Americans and foreign governments, such as Iran, trying to disprove the Holocaust's existence! Are there any governments or anybody trying to disprove black slavery's existence?
 
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Jokerman said:
It's not about numbers. The Jewish Holocaust was a program of genocide of an entire people by one state, while the goal of slavery was not extermination. The deaths were a side-effect of enslavement, with no single group responsible for it or for slavery. Africans enslaved Africans; Arabs enslaved Africans; and whites enslaved them, etc.

Why is it that the Jews don't go on about how they were enslaved for thousands of years by the Egyptians, Babylonians, Romans, Spain, etc., and that many more millions of them died as a result than died in the Holocaust? Why isn't that a tragedy to the Jews, or the world, worse than the Holocaust? For the same reason that the Africans killed because of slavery isn't on the same level, whether more died or not. It would be like comparing all the Japanese civilian casualties during four years of war with the casualties at Hiroshima. It's not the same thing, even when the non-Nuke casualties over four years may have been more. It has a special moral dimension to it. So too the Holocaust.

You think it gets brought up way too much? Apparently, it doesn't get brought up enough when we have Americans and foreign governments, such as Iran, trying to disprove the Holocaust's existence! Are there any governments or anybody trying to disprove black slavery's existence?
lool
 

Jokerman

Well-Known Member
#10
One thing I will say, is that the American media typically mis-reported this. They reacted with moral indignation and misquoted people left and right. So Iranian President Ahmadinejad's "the Zionist regime will disappear soon, the same way the Soviet Union disappeared," was reported as, "we will destroy Israel with the nukes we are developing with our nuclear reactors." No, but something like "President Ahmadinejad vowed to destroy Israel once again." Shut the f*** up, Sean Hannity. I don't want to hear lies about something I disagree with any more than I do about things I agree with.

Anyway, all Ahmadinejad is doing with these provocative statements about Israel and the Holocaust is grandstanding. He is hot-dogging it in the most vulgar and inhumane way, but he's getting the attention of those who are illiterate about the issue and don't want to know the truth about the suffering. He's making political hay. But he doesn't control Iran; he's merely a puppet. The people who control Iran are very rich, and they know that the moment they're within range of having a nuclear weapon, Israel will destroy all of their military infrastructure. It will be over. Everything they can wipe out they will. The mullahs are fully aware of that. So an awful lot of what we're seeing is bravado to get positioning for bragging rights, and hence, to try to influence other states of their significance. Just a lot of saber rattling. But the reality is Israel can take out their infrastructure with conventional weapons in a heartbeat. So we don't need to worry about Ahmadinejad and his rhetoric.
 

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