Finally!!! Montenegro is indenpendent

hizzle?

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#1
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/5003220.stm


Montenegro 'chooses independence'

The independence camp is already out celebrating in Podgorica

Montenegro has narrowly voted for independence from its union with Serbia, unofficial projections show.

Indications are that 55.3% of voters elected to secede from Serbia, just above the 55% required for victory.
Prime Minister Milo Djukanovic claimed early on Monday that his drive for independence had been successful.
But official results are not expected for several hours. If confirmed, the independence vote would erase the last vestige of the former Yugoslavia.
"Tonight, with the majority decision by the citizens of Montenegro, the independence of the country has been renewed," said Mr Djukanovic.
The question of independence has deeply divided Montenegro, with its opponents arguing that it will damage economic, family and political ties with Serbia.
The opposition leader who spearheaded the campaign against independence, Predrag Bulatovic, said his camp would not admit defeat based on an "arbitrary estimate by a monitoring group".
"The results are not final until they are confirmed by the state referendum commission," he said, urging the government to ask its supporters to leave the streets.
"Such a crucial decision must not be carried out by a trick," Mr Bulatovic said.
Serb politicians, Orthodox church leaders and Montenegrins from the mountainous inland regions bordering Serbia broadly opposed secession.
However, ethnic Montenegrins and Albanians from the coastal area largely back the prime minister and favoured independence.
Mr Djukanovic argued that an independent Montenegro will have a stronger economy and will be a better candidate for admission into the European Union.
Record turn-out
Indications that the pro-independence bloc may have won the vote prompted celebrations in the Montenegrin capital, Podgorica.
The tooting of car horns filled the city and youths were seen waving the red and gold flag of the old Montenegrin monarchy. The country was last independent in 1918.
Opponents of independence said the economy would suffer


Guns and fireworks were let off in celebration.
Polls opened early on Sunday morning and turnout was said to have surpassed a record 85%.
Voters, some of them dressed in their Sunday best clothes, pondered the referendum question: "Do you want Montenegro to be an independent state with full international and legal legitimacy?"
In the days preceding the vote, thousands of Montenegrins living abroad were invited back to the country to cast their ballot.
The country has a population of fewer than 700,000 people, so the vote of the diaspora was considered as crucial by both camps.
Montenegro's loose union with Serbia was established in 2003, replacing what was left of the former Yugoslavia.
Both sides were given the option of electing to leave the union after three years. The last time Montenegro was independent was nearly 90 years ago at the end of World War I, when it was absorbed into the newly-formed Yugoslavia. In the days running up to the vote, thousands of Montenegrins living abroad have travelled home in order to cast their ballot.



I'm really happy that they separated, because this marks the end of Yugoslavia... All of the 6 countries are officially on their own.
Montenegrians deserve to have their own country.


P.S.
I am not bashing Serbia. As a matter of fact, Serbians are partying in Belgrade for a "Free Serbia"
 
#2
This is expected. Since we can't live in the same coutry it's better for both choose their own way. Union of Serbia & Montenegro was just the temporary solution.
You should know one thing. Montenegro is 'indenpendent' only because western politicians wanted that. This is one more step to divide Serbian nation and weaken our country. I'm not against nobody down there, but the Serbs and the Motengeroes (I don't even know how to type this:) ) are the same nation. Also, Montenegro is the cradle of our sovereignity. I consider them to close relatives and for brothers. During the centuries, they also had the same feeling. Many of them have it still now.
'The independence' is enabled by muslim votes. Even, if I belived in these results, this is obvious. You see who decided about union or split with Serbia. PM of Montenegro was hardore communist and nationalist back in the days. But, he take adventage of his position and during 90s created crimal system. That brought money to his family and his assistants while in the same time, people in Motenegro live in poverty. He blamed Serbia for such situation and started to convince people that Monenegro could live much better without Serbia. He is absolute ruler in the Montenegro but he blames Serbia for all the problems! Behind the scene, he was blackmailed by western mechanisms of power to orchestrate the separation of coutry, or he'll be convicted for the criminal. He still bribes some judges in Italy. I feel sorry for the naive people which belived in prosperity under him.
At the end, I wish everything good to people in Montenegro under the dictature of their leader. We, here, in Serbia, already celebrate. After more then 80 years we are independent, but not by our own will. But, who cares.
 

hizzle?

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troublesome2004 said:
This is expected. Since we can't live in the same coutry it's better for both choose their own way. Union of Serbia & Montenegro was just the temporary solution.
You should know one thing. Montenegro is 'indenpendent' only because western politicians wanted that. This is one more step to divide Serbian nation and weaken our country. I'm not against nobody down there, but the Serbs and the Motengeroes (I don't even know how to type this:) ) are the same nation. Also, Montenegro is the cradle of our sovereignity. I consider them to close relatives and for brothers. During the centuries, they also had the same feeling. Many of them have it still now.
'The independence' is enabled by muslim votes. Even, if I belived in these results, this is obvious. You see who decided about union or split with Serbia. PM of Montenegro was hardore communist and nationalist back in the days. But, he take adventage of his position and during 90s created crimal system. That brought money to his family and his assistants while in the same time, people in Motenegro live in poverty. He blamed Serbia for such situation and started to convince people that Monenegro could live much better without Serbia. He is absolute ruler in the Montenegro but he blames Serbia for all the problems! Behind the scene, he was blackmailed by western mechanisms of power to orchestrate the separation of coutry, or he'll be convicted for the criminal. He still bribes some judges in Italy. I feel sorry for the naive people which belived in prosperity under him.
At the end, I wish everything good to people in Montenegro under the dictature of their leader. We, here, in Serbia, already celebrate. After more then 80 years we are independent, but not by our own will. But, who cares.
calm down a little bit, they are not going to end up like Albania during 50 years :p

I just said that this is good because there's nothing left of Yugoslavia...


As for this comment

"I consider them to close relatives and for brothers. During the centuries, they also had the same feeling. Many of them have it still now."

dude, we are all brothers...we are all slavs!!! theres nothing that differs me from you! :) (except religion, but who cares about that, its like an opinion, its worthless)
 
#7
how hizzle? said:
no actually they are gonna do like an union like the URSS did...

besides, theres no montenegrians in the team...
This is untrue. There were always players from the Montenegro in our national team. This time it's only Mirko Vucinic, young striker from Italian club Lecce. He's on his way to some bigger Italian club. In the past, we had some great players which are originally from Montenegro. I'll mention just Mijatovic, Savicevic, Kralj, Brnovic (there are four players with the same surname from Montenegro which played for national team in the past 15 years).
 
#8
how hizzle? said:
calm down a little bit, they are not going to end up like Albania during 50 years :p

I just said that this is good because there's nothing left of Yugoslavia...


As for this comment

"I consider them to close relatives and for brothers. During the centuries, they also had the same feeling. Many of them have it still now."

dude, we are all brothers...we are all slavs!!! theres nothing that differs me from you! :) (except religion, but who cares about that, its like an opinion, its worthless)
I'm just realistic. I don't know if it's good that Yugoslavia disappeared in a bloodshed and war. Although, former country had some delusions, but for the most of the time, it was good place to live. The best country in whole eastern Europe. It's lesson to everybody. Montenegro, Serbia and Macedonia parted ways in a peaceful way. Now everybody have their own small satelite countries which report to the USA and EU whenever they ask for that.
Not everybody care for the Slavic roots. It's sad. I must remind you that everything started with a religion and everything will finish with that. It's not so simple.
 
#9
how hizzle? said:
no actually they are gonna do like an union like the URSS did...

besides, theres no montenegrians in the team...

Yes there are, 2, Vucinic and some other guy I forgot.

Anyway, congratz to all montenegrins..:cool:
 

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#10
how hizzle? said:
However, ethnic Montenegrins and Albanians from the coastal area largely back the prime minister and favoured independence.
LOL at this. Of course Albanians will want Serbia to weaken.


al nema veze, ko jebe shiptare. :p
 

hizzle?

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troublesome2004 said:
I'm just realistic. I don't know if it's good that Yugoslavia disappeared in a bloodshed and war. Although, former country had some delusions, but for the most of the time, it was good place to live. The best country in whole eastern Europe. It's lesson to everybody. Montenegro, Serbia and Macedonia parted ways in a peaceful way. Now everybody have their own small satelite countries which report to the USA and EU whenever they ask for that.
Not everybody care for the Slavic roots. It's sad. I must remind you that everything started with a religion and everything will finish with that. It's not so simple.
nothing started with religion...it was just a way to manipulate people, you know it...

Ever since the beggining the Croatians used religion to fight serbs calling them "infidels"... Vatican attacked Bosnia during 2-3 straight crusades because we were the first to have a chruch in a non-latin language...

nothing starts with religion in Balkans...religion is always in between the introduction and conclusion. :)
 

hizzle?

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S O F I said:
LOL at this. Of course Albanians will want Serbia to weaken.


al nema veze, ko jebe shiptare. :p
dude shut up... that's like calling a black dude a ni**er...

you know better than that! :thumb:
 

S O F I

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#14
RFTP said:
There are about 5% of albanians in Montenegro..

and :rolleyes: to your last comment...
I meant Albanians as in from Albania, son. The article didn't state whether those Albanians lived in Albania or Crna Gora.
 

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#15
how hizzle? said:
dude shut up... that's like calling a black dude a ni**er...

you know better than that! :thumb:
No, it's not. Shiptar is not a derogatory term. That's what they are, lol.
 
#16
RFTP said:
Yes there are, 2, Vucinic and some other guy I forgot.

Anyway, congratz to all montenegrins..:cool:
The other 'forgotten' player is the our first goalkeeper named Jevric. He was born in Montenegro but he prefers union with Serbia. Btw, he was the most successful goalkeeper during the World Cup qualifications because he suffered only one goal at ten matches (from Raul).

RFTP said:
There are about 5% of albanians in Montenegro..

and to your last comment...
Why did you write 'albanians' without capital 'A'? Maybe because only of 5%?
 
#17
how hizzle? said:
nothing started with religion...it was just a way to manipulate people, you know it...

Ever since the beggining the Croatians used religion to fight serbs calling them "infidels"... Vatican attacked Bosnia during 2-3 straight crusades because we were the first to have a chruch in a non-latin language...

nothing starts with religion in Balkans...religion is always in between the introduction and conclusion. :)
I can't agree on this. The Vatican orchestrated the fall of former Yugoslavia (and also the fall of comunism). If Orthodox Church in Serbia admits the pope as the highest pontiff a lot of our troubles will stop. Most of the people here are strongly against such act considering tradition and different roots. We'll see what the future will bring to us. You know, in the medieval, some of our first kings were crowned by the pope. It was their way to get independance from the Greek empire.
In the Balkans, everything have roots in religion. Religion divided Southern Slavs and turned them into enemies. One good example is also the long lasting conflict between Poland and Russia. Also, Ukraine is very divided thanks to this. It is always matter of 'loyalty' to Roman Catholic church or independence. How you can't see that when you mentioned the example of 'Church Of Bosnia' ('Bogumili') in the medieval?
 
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troublesome2004 said:
The other 'forgotten' player is the our first goalkeeper named Jevric. He was born in Montenegro but he prefers union with Serbia. Btw, he was the most successful goalkeeper during the World Cup qualifications because he suffered only one goal at ten matches (from Raul).

I'm sure even Vucinic will play for Serbia. Montenegro will probably be the new andora in the beginning.

Why did you write 'albanians' without capital 'A'? Maybe because only of 5%?
Stop trying to judge me when you clearly don't know me. The reason I wrote albanians is cause I'm too lazy to follow grammar rules and stuff, not because I wish there were more albanians there :rolleyes:
 
#20
troublesome2004 said:
'Shiptar' is the common word. It's not the insult, and regards to the Albanians.

Actually in the mid 1920s it was regarded as a degoratory term. But anyway, for me I don't care and I don't get offended of that
 

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