ESPN.com's all-time all-star game rosters

Butt Rubber

More arrogant than SicC
#4
AmerikazMost said:
i love stuff like this. you remember when neyer did the all-time rosters for each team?

and AL would take it :)
nah i dont, but i can do some myself

yankees

c-berra
1b-gehrig
2b-lazzeri
ss-jeter
3b-nettles (maybe a-rod in 5 years)
of-dimaggio
of-mantle
of-ruth
dh-jackson

sp-ford
sp-guidry
sp-pennock
sp-gomez
sp-ruffing
setup-gossage
rp-rivera


red sox
c-fisk
1b-foxx
2b-doerr
ss-garciapara
3b-boggs
of-williams
of-speaker
of-manny
dh-ortiz (i suppose)

sp-clemens
sp-young
sp-pedro
sp-grove
sp-wood
setup-sparkey lyle
rp-tom gordon


lets do more
 

Butt Rubber

More arrogant than SicC
#5
Giants

C - Buck Ewing
1B - Willie McCovey
2B - Jeff Kent
3B - Matt Williams
SS - Travis Jackson
LF - Barry Bonds*
CF - Willie Mays
RF - Mel Ott

SP-Christy Mathewson
SP-Juan Marichal
SP-Tim Keefe
SP-Carl Hubbel
SP-Jason Schmidt
Setup-Rod Beck
Relief Pitcher - Robb Nen


Dodgers
c-roy campanella
1b-pedro guerrero
2b-jackie robinson
ss-pee wee reese
3b-ron cey
of-duke snyder
of-zach wheat
of-babe herman
sp-sandy koufax
sp-don drysdale
sp-dazzy vance
sp-kevin brown
sp-don newcombe
setup-jeff shaw
rp-eric gagne
 

Butt Rubber

More arrogant than SicC
#6
tigers

c-bill freehan
1b-hank greenberg
2b-charlie gehringer
ss-alan trammel
3b-????
of-ty cobb
of-harry heilmann
of-sam crawford
dh-al kaline

sp-hal newhouser
sp-denny mclain
sp-schoolboye row
sp-hooks dauss
sp-mickey lolich
setup-mike henneman
rp-john hiller

cubbies

c-gabby hartnett
1b-cap anson
2b-ryne sandberg
ss-ernie banks
3b-ron santo
of-hack wilson
of-sammy sosa*
of-hank saeur

sp-pete "grover" alexander
sp-mordercei "3 finger" brown
sp-john clarkson
sp-clark griffith
sp-fergie jenkins
setup-bruce sutter
cl-lee smith

athletics
c-mickey cochrane
1b-jimmie foxx
2b-eddie collins
ss-miggy tejada
3b-jimmy dykes
of-rickey henderson
of-al simmons
of-jose canseco*

sp-lefty grove
sp-rube waddell
sp-cheif bender
sp-eddie plank
sp-catfish hunter
setup-rollie fingers
rp-dennis eckersley
 

AmerikazMost

Well-Known Member
#7
Bank Robber said:
nah i dont, but i can do some myself

yankees

c-berra
1b-gehrig
2b-lazzeri
ss-jeter
3b-nettles (maybe a-rod in 5 years)
of-dimaggio
of-mantle
of-ruth
dh-jackson

sp-ford
sp-guidry
sp-pennock
sp-gomez
sp-ruffing
setup-gossage
rp-rivera


red sox
c-fisk
1b-foxx
2b-doerr
ss-garciapara
3b-boggs
of-williams
of-speaker
of-manny
dh-ortiz (i suppose)

sp-clemens
sp-young
sp-pedro
sp-grove
sp-wood
setup-sparkey lyle
rp-tom gordon


lets do more
dimaggio and manny weren't on there. he did LF-CF-RF, not OF-OF-OF. sub them for bob meusel and dwight evans i think

and i think he put Yaz at DH

there was no set up listed
 

Butt Rubber

More arrogant than SicC
#8
braves
c-javy lopez
1b-fred mcgriff
2b-bobby lowe
ss-herman long
3b-eddie mathews
of-hank aaron
of-hugh duffy
of-andruw jones

sp-greg maddux
sp-warren spahn
sp-kid nichols
sp-tom glavine
sp-phil neikro
setup-john rocker
cl-john smoltz


indians
c-sandy alomar
1b-jim thome
2b-nap lajoie
ss-omar vizquel
3b-al rosen
of-joe jackson
of-manny ramirez
of-tris speaker

sp-bob feller
sp-addie joss
sp-early wynn
sp-bob lemon
sp-Stan Coveleski
setup-bob wickmen
cl-jose mesa
 

EDouble

Will suck off black men for a dime
#9
Williams wins it for AL in 11th

Box score, play-by-play

Williams wins it for AL in 11th


BOSTON -- It's only fitting that the greatest Red Sox player ever would win an all-time All-Star showdown at Fenway Park.

Ted Williams' one-out, RBI single in the bottom of the 11th inning scored George Brett to give the American League All-Stars a 6-5 victory over the National Leaguers 6-5 in ESPN.com's Ultimate All-Star Game.

Brett opened the 11th with a single to left field off losing pitcher Trevor Hoffman, and moved to second on Carlton Fisk's infield hit. After Eddie Collins struck out, pinch-hitter Nap Lajoie rapped a single to left to load the bases. Williams, who'd been 0-for-4 in the game, then lined a 2-1 offering from Hoffman to right field for the AL victory.

Honus Wagner sent the game into extra innings when he slugged a dramatic two-run home run off AL closer Dennis Eckersley to tie the game 5-5. Eck came on to close out the victory for AL starter Pedro Martinez, but he issued a rare leadoff walk to pinch-hitter Arky Vaughan before Wagner's tape-measure blast over the Green Monster on a 2-2 pitch.

The NL jumped to a 3-0 lead in the first inning off Martinez, getting a sacrifice fly from Willie Mays and a two-run triple from Stan Musial.

NL starter Greg Maddux was in command through five innings, allowing one run in the second inning on Yogi Berra's run-scoring infield hit.

But the AL chased Maddux with four runs in the sixth inning. Mickey Mantle led off the inning with a towering solo home run to right field, cutting the NL lead to 3-2. Then after Lou Gehrig singled to left and Alex Rodriguez walked, Brett sent Maddux to the showers with a two-run triple to the gap in left-center field as the AL took its first lead of the game.

Berra completed the AL's four-run frame with a sacrifice fly off reliever Randy Johnson for a 5-3 lead.

In the top of the 11th the NL had a scoring opportunity with two outs, when Mays lined a double to right-center field. The AL chose to intentionally walk Barry Bonds, giving him his third pass of the game, to face Hank Aaron, but the all-time home run leader went down swinging against Joe Nathan, who pitched the final two innings for the victory.

Wagner was the game's hitting star, finishing with four hits and a double short of the cycle. Meanwhile, Brett paced the AL's 13-hit attack with three hits, while Gehrig, Mantle and Babe Ruth chipped in two apiece.

Martinez settled down after the rough first inning, shutting out the NL over his final six innings of work. He allowed eight hits and three runs, striking out eight and walking three. Mariano Rivera followed with a scoreless eighth inning before Eck's blown save in the ninth.

For the NL, Johnson and Billy Wagner combined to pitch four perfect innings in relief of Maddux before giving way to Hoffman, who pitched the final 1 1/3 innings.
 

AmerikazMost

Well-Known Member
#13
^ Yeah, Eckersly had some amazing seasons, but no closer ever has been as dominant as Mariano (unfortunately)



Oh, and Bank...Tom Gordon is not Boston's best closer lol. He had one great season (granted it was the best, but it was only 1). Even though it seems like Boston has never had a closer they could rely on for more than 4-5 years at a time, I'd say Radatz. Maybe Stanley.
 

Butt Rubber

More arrogant than SicC
#14
dick radatz had 3 good seasons and then injuries permitted him from ever being the same

but Gordon set the previous saves streak (before Gagne broke it), that counts for something
 

AmerikazMost

Well-Known Member
#15
Bank Robber said:
dick radatz had 3 good seasons and then injuries permitted him from ever being the same

but Gordon set the previous saves streak (before Gagne broke it), that counts for something
It does. If you do this as best single seasons, it would be Gordon.

Tom Gordon played 4 years with Boston. 2 of them he was a starter. 1 of them he had the best season as a closer in Boston history. The last he got injured.

Radatz had 4 seasons as Boston's closing, all with 22+ saves, all with 120+ K's, and three with an ERA under 2.30. In Gordon's year, he had 78 K's and a 2.72 ERA. Dick also had 46 more career saves wiht Boston than Gordon.

So Dick Radatz had 3 good seasons and then injuries prohibited him from ever being the same. Tom Gordon had 1 good season and then injuries prohibited him from ever being the same (in a Boston uniform).

Tom Gordon > Dick Radatz

Dick Radatz's contributions to Boston > Tom Gordon's



For the same reasons, I'd put Luis Tiant in the rotation over Lefty Grove.
 

Butt Rubber

More arrogant than SicC
#16
and Bob Stanley had more saves with the Bosox than Radatz OR gordon, but that doesnt mean he's better. Gordon's dominance with the Sox in my personal opinion was too large to be overshadowed by Radatz, who still had some solid years.

and Tiant over Grove?? Lefty Grove with boston: 105-62 (.629) with 4 ERA titles and a nice solid 136 ERA+, not bad considering he was in his mid to late 30s when he joined them

Tiant was 122-81 (.601), with only one SEASON with an ERA+ over 169 as a Sock. and only 1 ERA title too.
 

AmerikazMost

Well-Known Member
#17
Bank Robber said:
and Bob Stanley had more saves with the Bosox than Radatz OR gordon, but that doesnt mean he's better. Gordon's dominance with the Sox in my personal opinion was too large to be overshadowed by Radatz, who still had some solid years.

and Tiant over Grove?? Lefty Grove with boston: 105-62 (.629) with 4 ERA titles and a nice solid 136 ERA+, not bad considering he was in his mid to late 30s when he joined them

Tiant was 122-81 (.601), with only one SEASON with an ERA+ over 169 as a Sock. and only 1 ERA title too.
When I look at the all-time greatest teams, I look at their overall contributions to the team as a whole. One spectacular season or 4 really good years?



The stats are comparable, but at a closer look I stand corrected. I based the Tiant over Grove commented on wins and K's and that Grove's best years were with the Athletics.
 

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