Equal worth (do we have it as humans?)

[Sign Related]

Are all ppl of equal worth? And just what exactly are ppl worth?


This is my opinion and this is real talk: There is not a person worth spit on earth except me. Haha. Ppl are worthless. If humans were worth something the government would pay all ransomes. But they wont. Why is that? Life may be worth living only to yourself but it aint worth any money from another person. What one does can be worth money though. You're only paid to work maybe. To the government you aint an endangered species so your life aint worth spit alive. If you've learned they wont protect you, you have to protect yourself. Justice is only served after the particular crime for the public's and family's sake.

Look at me. Am I worth anything to you? What it be then if anything? But there is nothing worthy that you're doing for me, is it?

Certain ppl make out certain human lives to be worth honor and respect and hypocritally life too. But there is no one worth freedom so as long as there is a government. PPl have put and kept government in place this far, and the same ppl contributing to it, in one way or another because they surely arent boycotting the goverment or revolting against it, dont see each other worthy of freedom. Money actually doesn't buy freedom, it makes you a slave to who or what you're paying for what you mistakenly think is freedom. If freedom takes money it aint freedom at all. What say you? Only thing money ever did was stop ppl from getting their free food with their own hands naturally. Money is the biggest rip off to have ever scammed man out of freedom.

 

[Farzin]

No i am better than anyone else.

 

[EDouble]

Youre Lookin At It The Wrong Way Sign Related, Or Just In A Different Way It Shouldnt Be At The Point Where We Demand To Be Of Equal (dollar Value) As Each Other :CONFUSED:

 

[AmerikazMost]

It's not even a debate. You're wrong. The only debate lies withing the magnitude of the worth, but whether the worth exists or not.

For example, the people who participated in the American Revolution all have had value to everyone who has followed, especially Americans. If Samuel Adams or John Hancock or whoever had died before they could impact it, we very well could be worse off even 250 years later.

similarly, think of your favorite athlete or actor or porn star. Watching their performance makes you happy, gives you utility. If they died, you would lose that happiness. Hence, you would likely pay some amount to keep them alive, even if the amount was negligible.

In the end, everyone has some worth to someone else, whether positive or negative, depending on the relationship. Also, people tend to be worth more to a society as a whole than to individuals, with some exceptions. For instance, I wouldn't have paid as much to keep Alan Greenspan alive as America would have because someone else could probably do his job, and the observed effect for me wouldn't be much. However, he was the most qualified and everyone probably would have paid him to stick around. On the other hand, society probably wouldn't care as much about my girlfriend as I do because of the emotional attachment.

Economists have more objective ways of measuring a person's worth:

1. Value of YOU to society. Value of what you can produce. In other words, your lifetime wages.

2. Value of YOUR life to yourself. Includes leisure time and everything else you value. Monetarily, your wage rate times hours you will live. More realistically, the value approaches infinity, as you would probably pay anything to stay alive. Thus, the value of you to society can never be greater than the value of you to yourself.

3. Value of a random person to society (statistical value of life). Can be figured out by measuring compensating wage differentials at jobs. Just take the wage differential needed to convince someone to take a job with a "one unit" more of risk, multiply it by the number of people working at the job, and divide it by the number of lives saved from making it "one unit" less risky.

Most estimates find the statistical value of a life to be between $1 million and $10 million, with the modal response beng $3 million.

 

[The.Menace]

every human beeing should be equal worth, that's true. Of course it's not like that, every US soldier is mourned, the 100s Iraqis gettin killed are barley worth a line on the news....

 

[Illuminattile]

If humans were worth something the government would pay all ransomes. But they wont. Why is that?

It's because paying ransom sets a precedent. If the government paid ransom every time someone was kidnapped then the number of kidnappings would skyrocket. It's not that the government sits there and thinks "Actually, I'd rather have $50,000 than save that person's life". Think of the amount of tax the person their saving will pay, plus how much they'll contribute to society, and to the economy by purchasing things, and the fact that they'll probably vote for the political party that saved their life... from a financial standpoint they're much more valuable alive than dead.


Anyway, another awful, misguided rant from Sign, full of poorly thought-out anarchism.

 

[Chronic]

It's hard to objectively judge a person's merit. When talking about the traits our society deems valuable, no not every is equal. Equality is more a state of mind (or moral conclusion, whatever the fuck) than a fact.

Personally I measure a person's merit by how good of a person he/she is. Or how well hung.

 

[masta247]

The point is - there are dicks everywhere.

 

[Preach]

Economists have more objective ways of measuring a person's worth:

1. Value of YOU to society. Value of what you can produce. In other words, your lifetime wages.

2. Value of YOUR life to yourself. Includes leisure time and everything else you value. Monetarily, your wage rate times hours you will live. More realistically, the value approaches infinity, as you would probably pay anything to stay alive. Thus, the value of you to society can never be greater than the value of you to yourself.

3. Value of a random person to society (statistical value of life). Can be figured out by measuring compensating wage differentials at jobs. Just take the wage differential needed to convince someone to take a job with a "one unit" more of risk, multiply it by the number of people working at the job, and divide it by the number of lives saved from making it "one unit" less risky.

while I personally think that was pretty interesting to read as I never approached the question of a life's worth from a mathematical, statistical point of view, I doubt that's what he was looking for. basically, like Illuminattile said, this is a near anarchistic rant and he just wants people to agree with him and start a revolution.

jokes aside, Sign Related, do you study philosophy and is that the cause of your threads? They are mostly speculative as far as the facts included go, but you seem to like semantics and philosophy lol.

 

[AmerikazMost]

while I personally think that was pretty interesting to read as I never approached the question of a life's worth from a mathematical, statistical point of view, I doubt that's what he was looking for. basically, like Illuminattile said, this is a near anarchistic rant and he just wants people to agree with him and start a revolution.

Just trying to be objective.

 

[Jokerman]

... society probably wouldn't care as much about my girlfriend as I do because of the emotional attachment.

That may be true but you still shouldn't leave her alone in a room with society, for it has loose morals.

 

[goymz]

I'll be honest, I haven't read the thread...

My take on it is that human rights (equal worth) and freedom of expression are the two most important things that our generation will struggle for in light of the development of nations and technology respectively.

I think the sad thing is that, by the time our lives are over and human rights and freedom of expression are implemented worldwide, the struggle for them will look as ridiculous as the battle against infection pre-penicillin.

 

[Chronic]

while I personally think that was pretty interesting to read as I never approached the question of a life's worth from a mathematical, statistical point of view, I doubt that's what he was looking for. basically, like Illuminattile said, this is a near anarchistic rant and he just wants people to agree with him and start a revolution.

jokes aside, Sign Related, do you study philosophy and is that the cause of your threads? They are mostly speculative as far as the facts included go, but you seem to like semantics and philosophy lol.

WRONG! Statistics show your mother is a whore.

 

[Preach]

WRONG! Statistics show your mother is a whore.

Improper post for WoW. Mods please delete.

 

[Stred]

ROFL at chronic.. you just made this thread worth reading

 

[Duke]

Purely from a nature-standpoint, we are all worth the same. Morally, we are the same. In society, however, we are not. And you can't really seperate the two (nature/society) because the way we humans work as a species requires a society, rudimentary or complicated, with different tasks and values.

We *should* however, deem everyone equally.

 

[Bender]

I was born without a price tag, I cannot be compared to money.

 

[Preach]

I was born without a price tag, I cannot be compared to money.

i would easily kill you for $1000 and well i think i just made a comparison.

 

[Bender]

i would easily kill you for $1000 and well i think i just made a comparison.

My point was that humans do not have an inherent 'worth'.


Someone may try to put a 'price on my head' as a means to an end of something, but it is still and always will be subjective.

Money is, after all, man made, and only valued by man. Mother nature, i feel, cares not; and gave us no price.

 

[Preach]

well, i would value your life to $1000 if someone offered it.