Does it frustrate anybody?

[Salar]

Does anybody else find it very frustrating that so many things happen under the table and away from our eyes and we just have no clue. Not only in politics but in everything.
Political: This can be a long long long list, but so much corruption under the table deals with senators and leaders and inbetween leaders and senators. The Iraq war for instance, how much shit is happening that we just never get to see, the reason to find weapons of mass distruction is what they tell everyone, but the underlying reasons are hidden. Why do so many countries that never really cared about iraq and their situation suddenly take part in the war? Now i'm not saying this is the cause but is it oil deals or something else?
Corporations: Corporations have alot of control when it comes to national economics, how many under the tablel deals are going on so they make more money? how many deals do they have with the government? Even when they go bankrupt there are lame reasoning behind it all, what is the real reason? etc etc.
Media: just one question. why are we only shown a portion of the picture and not the whole thing?
Intelligence: how much do they really know?

I'm not saying it's a big conspiracy but i just want to know. How can one find out. The corruption and secrets are everywhere, even in sports. an AFL (australian football league) player is suddenly retires at his prime, and never goes back into the league again. the reason that they portrayed was that he had enough of all the bullshit, but in reality (and this was the real reason since he's a family friend of my best mate) was that he was using drugs, and they asked him to retire befor anybody found out. He himself (not mentioning names) told me that so much shit happens behind closed doors that it would just turn people away from supporting the sport.

I just find it really annoying that frustrating that so many things are happening and we just have no idea. Ignorance is bliss, but knowing that there is more to a story yet not knowing what it is, is frustrating.
What do others think?

 

[S O F I]

I agree. It frustrates me too, because I know that the government and big corporations aren't do-gooders. They're evil and always have a hidden agenda, yet we never know for sure, and all we have is speculation. But, I guess it's better for us to get frustrated then turn into "The Man who knew too much".

 

[AmerikazMost]

It pisses me the hell off. That's why I want to get into politics.

 

[Duke]

It pisses me the hell off. That's why I want to get into politics.

To what end? To bring about a change or to satisfy your own curiousity?

 

[AmerikazMost]

To what end? To bring about a change or to satisfy your own curiousity?

To bring a change. I'm sick of all the underhanded bullshit to advance yourself.

I want to make politics what is supposed to be about - advancing society.

Am I dreamer? Maybe, but the problem is not the dreaming, the problem is not acting on the dreams.

 

[Missy "C"]

Yeah, I agree, but I don't think all corporations are "evil", there are many of them that do positive things for societies, without them millions of people would have no jobs. It's true that sometimes they do things wrong, but I don't think they are many, And in any case, if that happens, the government should do something to control what they are doing, but corruption is a big problem...

But it's true that we are not told the truth most times, and that's very annoying, cuz ignorance allows politics to do whatever they want with us. That's why education is sooo important, and it's very sad to see that in some countries governments are against it, maybe they don't express it openly, but they brainwash people into thinking what's better to maintain their power.

 

[Chronic]

You're not asking about the effects of it happening right?
If you're asking if anyone else gets frustrated at not being able to know what goes on behind the scenes, no I don't care enough for it to frustrate me. I'm not that curious.

 

[CalcuoCuchicheo]

Certain apparant concealed going ons irritate me, much do not.

Politically, I think it's in the best interests of everyone for the government to keep certain things shrouded in secrecy. Lives are at stake with much of the secret information regarding political circles.

Corporations' secrets, on the other hand, should amount to next to none - something which should be enforced by the government. The only acceptable secrets which come to mind are those regarding marketing strategies & the like - creativity issues.

The media need to be less biased but I recognize the need for censorship.

Intelligence? You mean like a Big Brother situation?

And AmerikazMost, many politicians started out as dreamers but once they actually gained entrance to the political arena, they quickly learned that dreaming does not count for much in the reality of the situation.

 

[Morris]

for the United States Congress to function at all, deals need to be made under the table. Case in point with the Bush judicial nominations. The power of the minority is so strong in our federal government that it's necessary.

As for underhanded deals regarding stuff like Iraq, the executive office has access to more and better information than Congressmen. So that's on the administration, not Congress.

 

[H.E. Pennypacker]

I don't care what people say about Microsoft and WalMart. They have my support.

 

[Silleone]

It does fustrate me but there are some things that would totally shock and maybe even terrify us if we knew the real truth.

eg

say Aliens were gonna attack earth and there was like a 50% chance life as we know it would end, lets now say, the goverment were the only ones that knew it, if they told us, what do u think would happen, CHAOS MOTHERFUCKERS, becuz people would be in fear, if we dont know we wont be scared, similar to when your crossin a bridge with a terrible fall below it, if u were to look down you would be terrified, the only way across is to not acknowledge the terrible fall and just walk across.

 

[one mc on dj]

I quit reading after

[QUOTE]Does anybody else find it very frustrating that so many things happen under the table and away from our eyes and we just have no clue. Not only in politics but in everything.[/QUOTE]

cuz I thought it was stupid...and that totally took away my interest in this thread...

Why care? Why get frustrated over something that you are not even close to...

Wanna get rid off that feeling? Quit believing everything u read hear or see...on the internet on the radio or on tv...

Let that shit get passed you don't even bother thinking about it to say it a bit corny...clean ya mind...

laterz

 

[AmerikazMost]

And AmerikazMost, many politicians started out as dreamers but once they actually gained entrance to the political arena, they quickly learned that dreaming does not count for much in the reality of the situation.

True, but I just want to make some difference.

 

[AnarchistFunk]

For sure it bothers me, peep the name

AmerikazMost if your intentions are real for the better of society rich or poor, then do it :thumb:

 

[AmerikazMost]

For sure it bothers me, peep the name

AmerikazMost if your intentions are real for the better of society rich or poor, then do it :thumb:

I could go into my whol inspiration story about why and all that, but I'd probably just be wasting your time

God blessed me with a great mind. The least I could do is try and use it to help his world.

 

[AnarchistFunk]

I could go into my whol inspiration story about why and all that, but I'd probably just be wasting your time

God blessed me with a great mind. The least I could do is try and use it to help his world.

You probably would be since i dont believe in government, politics, pyramids of power, capitilism and the list goes on....

However I don't think everysingle politician in the world is evil or has misleading intentions...

More power to ya if you REALLY want to HELP the PEOPLE :thumb:

 

[CalcuoCuchicheo]

True, but I just want to make some difference.

And that is admirable but it is more likely the system will change you than you'll change the system.

To get into a position of power (through so-called 'democratic' means), you have to compromise - there is no compromise on the issue of compromising (lol) - & more than likely, you'll need to lie, tell half-truths & not say what you really should be saying :thumb:

 

[Hankaveli]

I don't care what people say about Microsoft and WalMart. They have my support.

"How may I help you?"

Fuck Wal-mart

 

[AmerikazMost]

And that is admirable but it is more likely the system will change you than you'll change the system.

To get into a position of power (through so-called 'democratic' means), you have to compromise - there is no compromise on the issue of compromising (lol) - & more than likely, you'll need to lie, tell half-truths & not say what you really should be saying :thumb:

we'll see, but i think a teddy roosevelt, take no bullshit approach could work (though he most likely lied himself). i don't expect to change the system, just to work it my way

"This is where the bullshit stops" - Rakim, "New York (Ya Out There!)"

 

[Morris]

we'll see, but i think a teddy roosevelt, take no bullshit approach could work (though he most likely lied himself). i don't expect to change the system, just to work it my way

Teddy did that by completely (and intentionally) misinterpreting the Constitution as it was designed in 1787