Creativeness

[Salar]

I haven't posted in here for a long while.

Anyway i've been thinking alot about creativeness lately. What is it? what is it in our minds that allows us to be creative?

Think about it like this, where does the creative thought come from? Something new just can't pop out of anywhere, and if it's a collection of thoughts that lead us to new thought, then there has to be some element that drives people to that conclusion simply because if two people look at the same peice of evidence, two different ideas may be reached. So is creativeness subjective to expereince, if this is true we are saying we are only as creative as our expereinces drive us which cannot be true because if you think of artists and song writers creative energy many haven't had the same level of expereince as the other yet can be as creative as each other.

The underlying question of creativeness and ideas is mind. But if you really think about creativeness and try to understand it, you'll be as lost as i am right now.

 

[The.Menace]

I think anyone is creativ, some might be more creative then other but that isn't the point now. I think what many people lack of is in fact the right attitude to let their ideas fly.

 

[Salar]

yes i understand that, but what is it that enables us to create? What is the cause of creativeness? What element of mind makes one person more creative than the other?

 

[The.Menace]

that's a hard question, I don't know. I guess some people are just here to create and some are here to follow.

 

[Duke]

yes i understand that, but what is it that enables us to create? What is the cause of creativeness? What element of mind makes one person more creative than the other?

I don't think person A is more creative than B because he has more "creative brain" parts. He just uses his creative section more.

Why he uses that section more, i don't know. Good question. I'm not a psychologist, i couldn't tell you.


I don't think creativity is tied to experience (if it all tied to some other element), but more to one's personality and character. The use of one's creative brainhalf is just as big a piece of one's personality.

 

[Bender]

Illusion, a conceptual perception of not what is.

 

[Illuminattile]

*Creativity

It's an interesting subjec to contemplate, creativity. Without looking into the science of it, I'd be tempted to think it's nature rather than nurture. I know there are many programs and institutions that try to teach creativity (Waldorf schools, Purdue Creative Thinking Program etc.), but I don't think it's something that can be quantified and thus taught. Perhaps these environments and programs might help people express their creativity, but I don't think it can 'create' creativity where before there was none.

I think creativity is just something you have to discover, and as such experience does play a part. You can work an unfulfilling desk job for ten years then, while designing a poster for the office party, realise you have a knack for graphical design. Alternately, you might be given piano lessons as a child and immediately recognise a talent for that. You could suggest that everyone has the same level of creativity, just in different fields. Creativity can refer to anything from the arts to science to business. Maybe the only thing that separates those seen as creative from those seen as not was the opportunity or good fortune to discover where their creativity lies.

 

[CalcuoCuchicheo]

My first thought is that it has a lot to do with perceptions.

What the majority of people perceive as "creativity" may not be planned or deliberated upon but rather, the creator just sees the world - or whatever foundation he may've built upon - in a unique way. So in this instance, "creativity" relies on the perception of the creator & the perception of others.

Anyway, read what Illuminattile said lol

 

[Bender]

I have found Destruction to be a form of creativity, however paradoxical and ironic it sounds. Things get destroyed only to be rebuilt again; created.

Creativity is the result of (or rather the act of) producing. Starting with nothing and finishing with something (eg a work of art) - or the other way round: starting with something and finishing with nothing (eg creating a space).

 

[Kosen]

creativity is as abstract as it gets.. what is creative to one person is mudane to another..
because of the subjectivity of 'creativity'..there are no definite answers..

 

[Salar]

ok everyone is describing creativity. I know what creativitiy is, but where and how is what i'm concerend with.

*Creativity

It's an interesting subjec to contemplate, creativity. Without looking into the science of it, I'd be tempted to think it's nature rather than nurture. I know there are many programs and institutions that try to teach creativity (Waldorf schools, Purdue Creative Thinking Program etc.), but I don't think it's something that can be quantified and thus taught. Perhaps these environments and programs might help people express their creativity, but I don't think it can 'create' creativity where before there was none.

I think creativity is just something you have to discover, and as such experience does play a part. You can work an unfulfilling desk job for ten years then, while designing a poster for the office party, realise you have a knack for graphical design. Alternately, you might be given piano lessons as a child and immediately recognise a talent for that. You could suggest that everyone has the same level of creativity, just in different fields. Creativity can refer to anything from the arts to science to business. Maybe the only thing that separates those seen as creative from those seen as not was the opportunity or good fortune to discover where their creativity lies.

Yes i agree with this, but what is it that enables us to create. Read my topic again, i know what creativity is (in my own understanding), but i don't know how we create, where we create and what allows us to create.

My first thought is that it has a lot to do with perceptions.

What the majority of people perceive as "creativity" may not be planned or deliberated upon but rather, the creator just sees the world - or whatever foundation he may've built upon - in a unique way. So in this instance, "creativity" relies on the perception of the creator & the perception of others.

Anyway, read what Illuminattile said lol

This is a good answer. There's no right or wrong answers since no one really knows the answer. But perception is the element of experience isn't it. Don't we percieve something simply because of our experiences. Don't our perceptions get narower as we get older? This is philosphically arguable to the extent of referencing philosphers such as Kant.

I have found Destruction to be a form of creativity, however paradoxical and ironic it sounds. Things get destroyed only to be rebuilt again; created.

Creativity is the result of (or rather the act of) producing. Starting with nothing and finishing with something (eg a work of art) - or the other way round: starting with something and finishing with nothing (eg creating a space).

This is describing creativity. I know what creativity is, but how do we create? What is it that allows us to create?
Destruction is another topic all together which is based on fear and human nature which again is debatable.

creativity is as abstract as it gets.. what is creative to one person is mudane to another..
because of the subjectivity of 'creativity'..there are no definite answers..

This is what i like to call avoidance. People use subjectivity as an answer to everything simply because they don't want to answer the question. Despite the fact that i'm not asking WHAT creativity is, but how we are creative. So your answer doesn't apply.

 

[Bender]

... but how do we create? What is it that allows us to create?
...

I doubt one thing could be pin-pointed here.

Interconnectedness, everything depends on everything else. A table can carry out its function because it is made up of parts; it uses the floor, its legs, gravity, its weight etc. Just like humans have 'parts'. This would be a Buddhist perspective.

 

[Amara]

So is creativeness subjective to expereince, if this is true we are saying we are only as creative as our expereinces drive us which cannot be true because if you think of artists and song writers creative energy many haven't had the same level of expereince as the other yet can be as creative as each other.

No it is not wholly dependant on experience, but rather the subjective interpretation and ability to analyse and express those experiences. So the difference I think is that some people are better able to perform that analysis and reproduce it in another form... whereas others can only absorb info and experience but not output it.

 

[Varo]

fawaka(whatsup) .. I am new here..and while i am checking out this site i read your post …..excuse my bad English coz I am from Holland/Surinam(south America)..22 years…
. Anywayzzzz here is my thoughts on your post about creativity…………..

First of all
When we think or manifest a thought it comes from somewhere. Spiritual guru’s/doctors and also Scientifics studied that when a thought exist in your brain its triggered by electrical lights / magnetism……..that exists in your brains….. in your brain cell: neurons… from there the neurons cells uses this massage and give this massage(the electrical lights or how u call it) to a neuron transmitters and the neurons transmitter travels to other parts of your body… its traveling for a cell..becoz a cell is very tiny so our body is like a hole universe for a cell.


But where does that electrical magnets comes from,..,which is also the source from creativity….becoz this electrical lightings give massages to your brain cells that are read by some of us as ‘’creativity’’……….

For example : a 4 year old who can play piano as a matha facka genius…some call that creativity….so when he plays the piano with his fingers….its get triggered by neuron transmitters from the brain and travels to you muscles in your fingers……these neuron transmitters provides the massage (electrical lightings ) and when they arrive to your finger muscle it contains a code to move and play the piano like no one else can,….these neurons transmitters came from the brain……everything you do like eat or walk goes by these steps even inner healing goes by these steps…….so when u get a thought thats full of creativity, its born from the electrical lightings



But finally how does this creativity exists in the form of electrical lightings codes or massages……………….

Spiritual gurus/doctors from the east and also doctors from the west have studied that the body contains trillions cells(of course you knew that)……….the neuron transmitters is also a cell……..they have micro scooped all kind of cells…and they discovered that these electrical lightings suddenly exists in the midst of a cell……these lightings are the middle of a cell…..so first u see nothing and then suddenly something pop ups (the electrical lightings with all kinds of massages for your cell to do her job) …and every cell contains different massages…..thats logical coz every cell works on its own and yet together with all other cell to make sure u are breathing and all other stuff just to make u live your life and do your own thing……

So now these electrical lightings with massages for example for creativity …for eating ..drinking…..are born from nothing ………what da fuck……creativity is born out of nothing wuhaha

Ok but now u have a spiritual solution for this connection……..coz they say that these electrical lightings come to life in your cell from your SOUL . And if u don’t believe u got a soul than these electrical lightings comes from nothing ..it just comes…it depends how u look at it and what u believe in..some say it comes from God etc.



But now how does your soul give these massage to your cells…………..well that a hole different deep story…..i wont get into that becoz I can type a whole book now haha
But they say if u meditate or just be happy and in peace with yourself… u’ll get creativity or if u really connected to a higher level (whatever that means)

anywayz…if u really want to understand creativity read some good books….spiritual books,….or books written by doctors…..(but don’t believe everything u read) …its really worth reading stuff like this becoz…if u really wanna know life and your goals u betta know yourself first..so check yo self ….peaceeee

 

[Salar]

dude you put a smile on my face.
reps for that. I was waiting for someone to throw it in.
Spirit--- Mind and body

Body Does, Mind Thinks, Spirit Initiates.

THough i'm still reading heaps on this, i'll post more on what this is later on.
But keep in mind that this is debatable. The reason i've posted this is to find debateable answers

 

[Varo]

haha thnx man now i am smiling
i am suprised that someone is into that soulminded stuff...really interesting coz even in my real life not many people are into it
who is the author from that book????..maybe i gonna read it too

 

[Bender]

'If you want to know what something is (for example: Water) then you would have to be with it (either have a drink, take a shower), so you can feel it on your skin, quenching your thirst, et cetera.'

Applied to Creativity, you would have to involved in something that is creative: building, drawing ... whatever ... but to talk about it or describe it, is not to know it directly, imo.

 

[Bender]

'If you want to know what something is (for example: Water) then you would have to be with it (either have a drink, take a shower), so you can feel it on your skin, quenching your thirst, et cetera.'

Applied to Creativity, you would have to involved in something that is creative: building, drawing ... whatever ... but to talk about it or describe it, is not to know it directly, imo.

 

[Salar]

haha thnx man now i am smiling
i am suprised that someone is into that soulminded stuff...really interesting coz even in my real life not many people are into it
who is the author from that book????..maybe i gonna read it too

The book is called Conversation with god, make sure you start from book 1, and go through to book 3. The author is Neale Donald Walsch

'If you want to know what something is (for example: Water) then you would have to be with it (either have a drink, take a shower), so you can feel it on your skin, quenching your thirst, et cetera.'

Applied to Creativity, you would have to involved in something that is creative: building, drawing ... whatever ... but to talk about it or describe it, is not to know it directly, imo.

Dude, i'd like to think i'm as creative as they come. I've always got ideas popping in my head. I can't read music, but i've written out plenty of songs and i've only been playing the guitar for not even a year. I'm not a drawer but i tend to doodle some crazy stuff. I won my schools (and districts) creative writing competition back in highschool, and i write like crazy (movie scripts, short stories, philosophy, poetry etc etc). Business ideas left right and centre. That is part of the reason i ask, i am involved with creativity more than most and i wan tto know what it is that makes me more creative than others. What is it that gives me that advantage over so many. What it is that makes me just come up with something out of thin air.

 

[Salar]

haha thnx man now i am smiling
i am suprised that someone is into that soulminded stuff...really interesting coz even in my real life not many people are into it
who is the author from that book????..maybe i gonna read it too

The book is called Conversation with god, make sure you start from book 1, and go through to book 3. The author is Neale Donald Walsch

'If you want to know what something is (for example: Water) then you would have to be with it (either have a drink, take a shower), so you can feel it on your skin, quenching your thirst, et cetera.'

Applied to Creativity, you would have to involved in something that is creative: building, drawing ... whatever ... but to talk about it or describe it, is not to know it directly, imo.

Dude, i'd like to think i'm as creative as they come. I've always got ideas popping in my head. I can't read music, but i've written out plenty of songs and i've only been playing the guitar for not even a year. I'm not a drawer but i tend to doodle some crazy stuff. I won my schools (and districts) creative writing competition back in highschool, and i write like crazy (movie scripts, short stories, philosophy, poetry etc etc). Business ideas left right and centre. That is part of the reason i ask, i am involved with creativity more than most and i wan tto know what it is that makes me more creative than others. What is it that gives me that advantage over so many. What it is that makes me just come up with something out of thin air.