Court allows drug dogs in all traffic stops/what do ou think?

#1
The U. S. Supreme Court ruled Monday that narcotics-detecting dogs can be used for all routine traffic stops — and you can bet that we, as students with varying degrees of other “incriminating” visual factors, are going to be the targets.

The case involved John Caballes, an Illinois man who was stopped for doing only six miles over the speed limit, but narcotics-detecting dogs ended up finding $250,000 worth of marijuana while sniffing around his trunk. The fact that he was stopped for doing only six over is a sign that this ruling is going to open the door for more frivolous traffic stops with the officers hoping to find drugs.

In a 6-2 ruling, Justice John Paul Stevens issued a statement stating that Caballes had no legal right to privacy concerning illegal narcotics, and since narcotics dogs are only trained to detect illegal drugs — not money or any other lawful possessions — constitutional search and seizure protections were not violated.

Not only do narcotics-detecting dogs often make mistakes resulting in the unlawful rummaging through one’s personal possessions, but it’s commonly because they detect money with drug residue on it — between 70 and 96 percent of bills are estimated to have residue from some illegal narcotic.

According to the NPR report, another man was stopped by police using narcotics dogs and sent to jail because he had a large sum of money on him that dogs detected because of drug residue — but they found no actual drugs. The man still had to post bail and pay for a lawyer in his court case.

In the Supreme Court’s dissenting opinion, Justice Ruth Ginsburg said that allowing narcotics-detecting dogs for routine traffic stops opens the door for using the dogs to survey parked cars, much like some schools do for students’ lockers, and having the dogs on street corners. She also made the point that the dogs are intimidating and will fundamentally change the police-driver encounter while also elongating it.

Police are well known to profile drivers who they think might possess drugs based on visual factors such as race, age, piercings, dreadlocks, tattoos, the type of car being driven and the bumper stickers on it.

Students on college campuses and low-income minorities are especially harassed because the officer figures that he or she can find other reasons to issue tickets if the apparent infraction is too minor, such as lack of registration, insurance or a license; drunk driving; or the jackpot infractions — possession and drug trafficking. The Supreme Court decision is only giving the officers further incentive to make these harassing and predatory stops.

Even if the victim doesn’t have any actual drugs on him, he can still be forced to go through the process of going to jail, posting bail and paying crippling lawyer fees if he has a large amount of money containing drug residue on him, or if a friend left trace marijuana in his car. Imagine driving home from work and being pulled over for going only six miles over the speed limit, and then being carted off to jail because the $300 in tips you made bartending happened to have some cocaine on it. This can very easily start being commonplace around inner cities and college campuses.

“Innocent” bystanders aside, police applaud this ruling as a major step toward combating the war on drugs, and one can only imagine the zeal with which they will put it into practice. But this ruling really targets the recreational pot smoker since they are the most common, and we need to stop clogging up the courts and jails with small-time drug users.

This is a waste of our tax dollars and a waste of our youth. Sending young people to jail and then forcing them to pay thousands of dollars in legal fees for possessing a small amount of marijuana — a “mistake” many successful adults, such as our last two presidents, will have to admit to — is really just unfair and unproductive.

It’s not likely that the ruling will be overturned, at least in the next four years, so prepare yourself for life in a police state.



in my opinion this is just another way to put people in jail and make money off of bs traffic stop's and violate's people's right's
 

AmerikazMost

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#2
this is bullshit...it's funny because i'm actually considering contacting the ACLU about my school using drug-sniffing dogs to do a mass search of my school

they told us we were having a red-alert drill (a drill used to protect us in case a dangerous intruder enters the school), made us leave our bookbags in the hallway, locked us in the classrooms, and brought the dogs through the halls and sniffed each individual bag and the lockers.

my argument is:

Although using these dogs do not constitute a search under the Fourth Amendment of the United States Constitution, it does under Article I, Section 8 of the state constitution. The Pennsylvania Constitution permits warrant-less searches with narcotic dogs of places on the basis of “reasonable suspicion.” In Commonwealth v. Martin, however, the state Supreme Court ruled that the sniffing of a “satchel” is the equivalent of sniffing one’s person and requires the heavier burden of probable cause. Also, in an even more similar case, the Pennsylvania Supreme Court condemned a mass search of school lockers with drug-sniffing dogs in the Commonwealth v. Cass, asserting that the school did not meet the reasonable suspicion standards. Even though the school received information that students were distributing drugs and carrying beepers and large sums of money inside the school, the court ruled that the search was not valid in its inception because the school did not have any evidence against or suspicion towards specific individuals. This means that not only would our school have to suspect specific individuals, they would have to meet the heavy burden of probable cause to search our backpacks.

i know i didn't give them any reason to suspect me, so i don't think they had a right to search my bag.
 
#3
^^^ya it is bullshit...you should contact them
shit is getting out of hand....and i have a feeling it wont stop there!!

next theyll be wanting to smell around are house's
 

Jokerman

Well-Known Member
#5
Obviously, the Fourth Amendment has gone to the dogs.

But you can all relax a bit. There simply aren't enough trained dogs to do a sweep on every stop. Believe it or not, the rules still favor the bad guy more often than not. The burden is still on the state to prove that there were no violations of the defendant's rights. Random searches are still struck down as unconstitutional. They're usually suppressed at the trial level and rarely make it up to any type of Appeals Court.

I wonder how long it will be until some druggies start making up a marijuana "tea" and spraying it on car tires at the mall? If Fido starts generating a lot of documented "false alarms" how long will it be until Fido's alert no longer constitutes probable cause?

"Raise your right paw. Do you swear or affirm . . ."
 

The.Menace

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Staff member
#7
AmerikazMost said:
i know i didn't give them any reason to suspect me, so i don't think they had a right to search my bag.
Wow that sucks. It happend to me in the army, they have the right to search your bags and everything everytime. anyway, Joker is right.

There simply aren't enough trained dogs to do a sweep on every stop.
 
#8
1671...1396 said:
in my opinion this is just another way to put people in jail and make money off of bs traffic stop's and violate's people's right's
The right to drive over the speed limit or the right to possess illegal substances?

I'm kidding, I know what you mean. It does seem like a waste of time, but it could always act as a deterrent.
 
#9
Jokerman said:
I wonder how long it will be until some druggies start making up a marijuana "tea" and spraying it on car tires at the mall? If Fido starts generating a lot of documented "false alarms" how long will it be until Fido's alert no longer constitutes probable cause?
good point, people could really be screwin around with police and innocent people now.
 

Duke

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Staff member
#10
1671...1396 said:
“Innocent” bystanders aside, police applaud this ruling as a major step toward combating the war on drugs, and one can only imagine the zeal with which they will put it into practice. But this ruling really targets the recreational pot smoker since they are the most common, and we need to stop clogging up the courts and jails with small-time drug users.
The War on Drugs isn't won by apprehending your occasional weed smoker. :rolleyes:

They should focus more on the big boys instead of the users. Whether it's coke, heroin or pot, users will keep using as long as the stuff's available.

But this simple fact seems to elude the lawmakers. :(
 
#11
Duke said:
The War on Drugs isn't won by apprehending your occasional weed smoker. :rolleyes:

They should focus more on the big boys instead of the users. Whether it's coke, heroin or pot, users will keep using as long as the stuff's available.

But this simple fact seems to elude the lawmakers. :(
it doesnt elude the lawmakers, government and higher ups have been making money off of drugs for years now, the lil men are put in jail for slave labour , while governments and pigs continue to import drugs for our children
 

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