Controlled Breeding

Tha_Wood

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#1
What do you guys think about humans having to get a license or a permit to have a child? pretty fucked up idea i know. just imagine if you had to pass a test to be able to give birth to a child, and if you did not pass and went ahead with getting pregnant they forced you to get an abortion.

Now aside from the obvious moral issues it would raise, do you think it would be a good idea?
 

The.Menace

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#2
Besides the moral problem, which is a big one, the problem would be how and who would set the standard, the rules...... because if somebody fucks it up (and it's easy to do since who knows what the future might bring) ..... it would be devastating. So basically. no, not a good idea.
 

Tha_Wood

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#3
you would only do it to the people who would be considered unfit parents, its not something you would do to slow population growth. Im talking about drug addicts that have no hope of raising a child to become a productive member of society, or just fucking morons in general.

what do you mean by fuck it up?
 

The.Menace

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#4
Who's unfit? Simple question, hard to anwser. You might have your ideas who's unfit and it might be true to the current circumstances but what if the circumstances change?

Besides that, 2Pac never would have seen this planet by your standards .... so...
 

Tha_Wood

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#5
yes but also by my standards imagine all the people who may have gone on to do great things that were killed by the scum of society.

the person who shot pac probably wouldnt have seen this planet either :D
 

The.Menace

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#6
Still. You don't reply to my first point. It makes no sense. That's not how evolution works.

For that reason, any kind of nazi or racist mentality is wrong - not only moral wise but scientificly.
 

Preach

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#7
Besides the moral problem, which is a big one, the problem would be how and who would set the standard, the rules...... because if somebody fucks it up (and it's easy to do since who knows what the future might bring) ..... it would be devastating. So basically. no, not a good idea.
You say "it would be devastating", but it's already devastating to watch drugged up whores you know get pregnant without knowing who the father is. "If someone fucks up", how do you mean exactly? Like murder of justice? That already happens, yet we endorse the legal system! I don't get the argument, it's very doomsday-predictive but also very generalizing. It is not very concrete, you're not really saying anything of intellectual significance. You could have said "I feel bad about it because I like the freedom of being able to have a child at my will".

All our laws were invented by us. This would be another law. A simple test of financial stability, psychological condition, and aggression / compassion could probably filter out those who abuse their children in various ways, and would make sure no child has to grow up in a home with no furniture. I don't see how that's so bad. No one has defined what that test would actually consist of, which could be an interesting discussion in itself. And if such a test were to be implemented in say my country, and I had a say in it, it wouldn't just be any test. Obviously that's a part of the discussion that was not defined in the original post. What if the tests didn't include any of the things you probably pictured when you made your response, but somehow still managed to pick out bad parents from the bunch? Would that be such a bad idea? I don't see how having a child is a human right, thought. It's an instinct and a biological function, but so is violence, and we don't allow that either. Having a baby is not a right, but giving a baby a bad life because you wanted one out of selfish reasons, or got one because you have a loose cunt, should be a crime imo. People who grew up with a single parent will maybe say otherwise, but it is a fact that children with two parent figures of opposite sexes have a more stable upbringing, assuming the parents aren't bad people.

But let's not get hung up on two parents. I grew up with two parents, that's not what the discussion is about and I'm making arguments based on my own experience. I'm sure there are other, fairer, better criterias about parent(s)' ability to raise a child that could be used.

I think it's a great idea. Overpopulation will fuck us over eventually anyway. In many contexts we don't consider an individual more important than the collective good, but in this context, for some reason we do. Having a baby = justice?
 

Pittsey

Knock, Knock...
Staff member
#8
I have this idea often... Too many parents are morons... And I don't just mean poor (money poor) parents... Most of the kids my son grows up and socialises are middle class (unfortunately I'm not, but my missus is)... They are spoilt and very badly behaved... I sometimes find myself wanting to knock a 3 year old out, or (bad parent alert) getting my son to do it. But I have brought him up (so far) to be a kind sweet boy, so he wouldn't anyway. I basically want him to be the anti-me.
 

Chronic

Well-Known Member
#9
In theory I'm 100% for it but in practise I can only see it going horribly wrong. Saying you can't interfere with people having children is the same as saying you can't interfere when someone is murdered. So yeah, in theory thumbs up, in reality two thumbs down.
 

_carmi

me, myself & us
#10
There's no way you can monitor human breeding without it going extremely wrong. And like everything the rich will always seem privileged, the poor will always seem discriminated against, and so on.
 

keco52

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#11
There is a program in the US and I think the UK? that pays drug addicted women to be sterilized or have an IUD implanted which would prevent pregnancy unless removed by a doctor. I think it's a good idea.
 

S O F I

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Staff member
#12
I don't agree there should be a law. I do agree that parents should be allowed the option of undergoing tests to see if their child would be healthy enough, etc, and then be allowed the option to continue or have an abortion.

I don't even agree in theory with a supposed law because that's simply too much government intrusion into lives of citizens. Yeah, I'm starting to see things in Republican ways, bitches.
 

SiGh

Who's there?
Staff member
#14
What do you guys think about humans having to get a license or a permit to have a child? pretty fucked up idea i know. just imagine if you had to pass a test to be able to give birth to a child, and if you did not pass and went ahead with getting pregnant they forced you to get an abortion.

Now aside from the obvious moral issues it would raise, do you think it would be a good idea?
I recently heard a comedian say what you just wrote...just curious..is yours from the same comedian or is it a coincidental original thought?

Felt like deja vu lol
 

Tha_Wood

Underboss
Staff member
#16
im not sure what it is like in America but in Austrlalia there are a lot of government handouts. theres is a lump some of around $3000 i believe for having a baby in the first place, and then after that if you are a single parent, or even a couple that does not work/will not work you basically can live of tax payers money for the rest of your life. to some people this is a viable option because they are such lazy pieces of shit. Low life's get rewarded a lot, with government hand outs, government homes where they pay little to no rent. and the hard working people foot the bill.

i know i am ranting but it just fucks me off when people who can not afford to look after themselves decide to bring a child into the world which they can not afford to look after either. And the cycle continues, they "raise" there kids living off government money, then the kids grow up and do the same thing. and alot of the time they are just breeding shit, and by shit i mean future drug addicts, murders, rapists, all that shit.

One time when i was younger our next door neighbors were scum, they didnt work and sold drugs, had 5 children with 4 different dads. dad was out cleaning his boat and one of the kids next door came over and was talking to dad about the boat. during the conversation he said "we cant afford nice things like boats because we dont get given much money". That is the mentality of a lot of people here.
 

ArtsyGirl

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#17
I don't agree.. I can't even imagine how it would be put into place, every single person becoming a parent would have to have this "test" which would have to include a psychologist and would take time. It's not practical and I just don't like the idea.

I think it would be beneficial if parents were given more assistance in preparing for a baby and just common sense (that some people just don't have) parenting advice etc.

As for the $3,000 bonus to new parents.. That is an incentive to increase Australia's population. The problem is you get young, dumb girls saying things like "I can't wait to get the money, I'm gonna go up to Queensland for a holiday".. It's a fair idea but it needs more controls on how it gets spent, like on the actual BABY.
 

The.Menace

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#18
It was my fault probabaly to overestimate the average knowledge of the forum, but I expected more from you Preach than that. You don't understand evolution one bit I suppose. And no, just because you can't follow me I didn't want to say something else. don't critizes me like that because all I want to tell you at the moment is f*ck you. No, I didn't wanted to say
I feel bad about it because I like the freedom of being able to have a child at my will".
I clearly stated that I'm not talking about moral. that would be moral. freedom and such things. But we talk about evolution. And I said that the problem is WHO sets the standard. You didn't understand that, even though you say
No one has defined what that test would actually consist of
See. that's exactly what I was talking about. And that's what I meant by "if somebody fucks it up" we have a big problem. After 1000 years of wrong "breeding" it won't be enough to say, sorry, we made it wrong. There won't be humans left 2 explain it to.
there were experts that said something like this financial crises can not happen. we believed it. and than it did happen.

All our laws were invented by us. This would be another law.
...and because these laws were invented by us they don't fail, are 100% correct and always made for the good of all people. Right? No law is corrupted by cooperations or the state, everything's perfect.

I think it's a great idea. Overpopulation will fuck us over eventually anyway.
In your country the birthrate isn't too high, it is somewhere else. So you suggest we don't allow africans to have children. Breeding without black blood, sounds like a great idea. The last idiot that dreamed of a superrace thankfully didn't succeed.

In many contexts we don't consider an individual more important than the collective good, but in this context, for some reason we do
Why you're talking about you, your parents and the whore next to your door then? You're talking about individual experiences and base your opinion on your life. By your standards of breeding, the others are not allowed to have children. But what if other standards are applied. Sorry, you and your family just failed. Bye. (Why should we just decide that you are not allowed to have children? You waste our resources without any chance of good breeding, so why don't we go a step further and just eliminate you right away. You don't like that? Well, bad luck. Society decided differently but you understand that, right? After all you are for controlled breeding and you just happend to be on the wrong side of it)
 

Pittsey

Knock, Knock...
Staff member
#19
In your country the birthrate isn't too high, it is somewhere else. So you suggest we don't allow africans to have children. Breeding without black blood, sounds like a great idea. The last idiot that dreamed of a superrace thankfully didn't succeed.

But reducing the amount of people who can have Children in certain African countries would help deal with the issues of hunger and AIDS.

But that's a whole different kettle of fish.
 

The.Menace

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Staff member
#20
So you suggets we send soldiers over there to force them to their luck?

We also could provide them with medicine for AIDS and provide food and money .... oh no, wait, that would cost US money and wealth. Plus, you'r right, that's a different kettle of fish and not .... evolution.
 

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