Canada blames U.S. for gun violence

Freedom Froggy

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TORONTO, Ontario (AP) -- Canadian officials, seeking to make sense of another fatal shooting in what has been a record year for gun-related deaths, said Tuesday that along with a host of social ills, part of the problem stemmed from what they said was the United States exporting its violence.

Canadian Prime Minister Paul Martin and Toronto Mayor David Miller warned that Canada could become like the United States after gunfire erupted Monday on a busy street filled with holiday shoppers, killing a 15-year-old girl and wounding six bystanders -- the latest victims in a record surge in gun violence in Toronto.

The shooting stemmed from a dispute among a group of 10 to 15 youth, and the victim was a teenager out with a parent near a popular shopping mall, police said Tuesday.

"I think it's a day that Toronto has finally lost its innocence," Det. Sgt. Savas Kyriacou said. "It was a tragic loss and tragic day."

While many Canadians take pride in Canadian cities being less violent than their American counterparts, Toronto has seen 78 murders this year, including a record 52 gun-related deaths -- almost twice as many as last year.

"What happened yesterday was appalling. You just don't expect it in a Canadian city," the mayor said.

"It's a sign that the lack of gun laws in the U.S. is allowing guns to flood across the border that are literally being used to kill people in the streets of Toronto," Miller said.

Miller said Toronto, a city of nearly three million, is still very safe compared to most American cities, but the illegal flow of weapons from the United States is causing the noticeable rise in gun violence.

"The U.S. is exporting its problem of violence to the streets of Toronto," he said.

Miller said that while almost every other crime in Toronto is down, the supply of guns has increased and half of them come from the United States.

Miller said the availability of stolen Canadian guns is another problem, and that poverty in certain Toronto neighborhoods is a root cause.

"There are neighborhoods in Toronto where young people face barriers of poverty, discrimination and don't have real hope and opportunity. The kind of programs that we once took for granted in Canada that would reach out to young people have systematically disappeared over the past decade and I think that gun violence is a symptom of a much bigger problem," Miller said.

The escalating violence prompted the prime minister to announce earlier this month that if re-elected on January 23, his government would ban handguns. With severe restrictions already in place against handgun ownership, many criticized the announcement as politics.

Martin, who says up to half of the gun crimes in Canada involve weapons brought in illegally from the United States, raised the smuggling problem when he met with U.S. Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice in October.

Martin offered his condolences in a statement Tuesday, saying he was horrified by the shootings.

"What we saw yesterday is a stark reminder of the challenge that governments, police forces and communities face to ensure that Canadian cities do not descend into the kind of rampant gun violence we have seen elsewhere," Martin said.

John Thompson, a security analyst with the Toronto-based Mackenzie Institute, says the number of guns smuggled from the United States is a problem, but that Canada has a gang problem -- not a gun problem -- and that Canada should stop pointing the finger at the United States.

"It's a cop out. It's an easy way of looking at one symptom rather than addressing a whole disease," Thompson said.

Two suspects were arrested and at least one firearm was seized soon after the shootings Monday. Kyriacou said it was an illegal handgun.

Three females and four males were injured, including one male who is in critical condition. Police believe they were bystanders.

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#2
ya i just heard this on CTV news. I dont think its the US' fault, but i do beleive that they contribute in this whole toronto-gun-violence thing. The latest shooting - just yesterday - got me nervous. Seriously. How can this happen...ON BOXING DAY and like, the busiest part of Toronto. I personnaly think all guns should be banned and carry the dealth penalty for anyone caught using/carrying one. I dont see the point owning a gun.
 

Freedom Froggy

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#3
you cant create something and then give a person death for having it.

the problem is young muthafukkaz trying to be tough and they got to have a gun to do that... its not the u.s. fault for that
 

Glockmatic

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#4
the title of the article should've been "Toronto Mayor blames U.S. for Gun Violence". I think Miller worded it badly, but its true that a lot of guns are being smuggled into Canada, but I think that we should tighten our borders to get rid of that problem
 

PuffnScruff

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FrOgStRaDaMuS said:
you cant create something and then give a person death for having it.

the problem is young muthafukkaz trying to be tough and they got to have a gun to do that... its not the u.s. fault for that
yes it is, the u.s. is to blame for all of the worlds problems:laugh:

i agree with you. to but blame on a country for the actions of stupid people is just plane dumb.

this country didnt make those people purchase the gun, load the gun, aim the gun, or decide to pull the trigger.
 

Jokerman

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FrOgStRaDaMuS said:
"There are neighborhoods in Toronto where young people face barriers of poverty, discrimination and don't have real hope and opportunity. The kind of programs that we once took for granted in Canada that would reach out to young people have systematically disappeared over the past decade and I think that gun violence is a symptom of a much bigger problem," Miller said.
It's amazing what power America has: Not only are we turning Canada violent we are apparently drying up their generous socialist welfare programs too.

Let me guess: it was all perfect before Bush, the man who singlehandedly crushed hope and opportunity. It seems like Canada is prepared to blame everyone for crime, with the singular exception of criminals.

The United States is in such an Ironic Geographic Location being between Mexico and Canada. It's perplexing why we put up with either of the other country's crap and seem to welcome it. I am all for a huge wall. We should have just annexed them in the 1920's.....Damn.......
 
#7
FrOgStRaDaMuS said:
you cant create something and then give a person death for having it.

the problem is young muthafukkaz trying to be tough and they got to have a gun to do that... its not the u.s. fault for that


people who created guns back in the day didnt know 15 year olds would be runnin around shooting people.
 

PuffnScruff

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#9
PELLA said:
people who created guns back in the day didnt know 15 year olds would be runnin around shooting people.
i've owned 2 guns, one pistol and one rifle, before i hit double digits. i've never killed anyone. i dont point guns real, replica, bb, or pelit, at anyone. i learned at a young age the rights and wrongs.

its not the age that matters. it is the person that is using the weapon. if they are stupid , they will do stupid actions with it.
 

Glockmatic

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#10
You guys need to understand, this is just the mayor saying this, its not the Prime Minister. Like I said before, the title CNN put on this story is misleading.

Also the reason why this is such a big deal is that this happened on boxing day AND it happened near the Eaton Centre, it is like a shooting happening in the middle of Times Square.
 

ARon

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#13
Next time I hear of a friend or someone I know getting banged on I'm blaming Taiwan cus thats where there shirt was made.
 

Jokerman

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#14
It's the oldest political tool in the world. When you screw up, find a scapegoat. The giant to the south has always been a favorite for Canadian politicos. Everything good about Canada is Canadian, everything bad about Canada is an "American import."

The current attempt would make more sense if these were actually US gangs of US citizens coming to duke it out--but of course they're not. They're disaffected Canadian teens.
 
#16
Unfortunately this has always been Canada's way. Anything goes wrong up here, blame it on America. While America's lax gun control laws play a part in the rise of gun violence up here (seeing that most illegal guns here come from down south), it is certainly not the reason itself and to blame one thing for something with many causes is just ignorant and wrong.
 

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