bye bye larry!!

#1
well now the Knicks are trying to get rid of him lets hope they try to bring backk Van Gundy!!:thumb:

"Garden chairman James Dolan apparently has started the process of ending Larry Brown's dream job after one season.

According to sources, Dolan, upset over Brown's record and the coach's public criticism of his players, is considering buying out the final four years of Brown's contract, worth at least $40 million.


The Knicks declined to comment, and would neither confirm nor deny one published report that already is naming Knicks president Isiah Thomas as Brown's successor. Brown has indicated that he will not resign, but if Thomas takes over, the Knicks would avoid having to pay another coach upwards of $5 million annually.


Thomas, who coached the Pacers from 2000-2003 but never got them out of the first round of the playoffs, is said to be amenable to coaching the Knicks, one source told the Daily News.


Knicks brass has not met with Brown since the end of the 23-59 season, according to sources, perhaps another indication of Dolan's dissatisfaction with the Hall of Fame coach. According to a team official, Brown has requested a meeting with Dolan but Thomas has told Brown there is no reason for him to meet with the club's owner.


Last month, The News reported that a majority of the players blamed the Knicks' worst season in 20 years on Brown, whose hiring last July was looked upon as a way to return the struggling franchise to prominence.


Brown, one of the most successful coaches in basketball history, ended the season with 1,010 NBA victories (he is fourth on the all-time list) but was never happy with the roster that the embattled Thomas had assembled. The Knicks played and acted like the league's most undisciplined team, which reflected poorly on the players and Brown. The coach talked often about a wish list of players more suited to his team-first, defense-oriented style, but sources say Brown has been told the team cannot be changed significantly.


After joining the Knicks following a messy divorce from the Pistons, Brown quickly reignited his feud with point guard Stephon Marbury, which began during the 2004 Olympics in Athens. Within a few months, Brown had publicly criticized several players, which was an indictment of Thomas, who put together the league's most expensive roster at $125 million.


According to sources, Thomas also was upset that Brown chose to publicly air his complaints about the Knicks' flawed roster. A turning point came in late February, when Dolan and Thomas joined the Knicks for a three-day road trip to San Antonio and Memphis. The News reported that during that trip, Dolan told Brown to focus on coaching the players. The following day, Dolan gave Thomas a strong endorsement, while giving Brown a lukewarm review.


It was during that trip that Brown entered a Memphis hospital after complaining of chest pains. Six weeks later, Brown took ill and left a game in Cleveland in the third quarter, and was later taken on a stretcher to a hospital, complaining of an acid reflux problem. He missed the next three games, but returned for the finale against the Nets at Meadowlands Arena, where he let assistant Herb Williams run the team. During his farewell address to the media after the season, Brown shocked Garden brass by saying he had been suffering from the flu and that Thomas and team doctors had advised him not to coach that game.


According to two player agents with clients on the Knicks, the players staged a palace coup in front of Thomas during their exit interviews. Players never blame themselves, and they weren't about to cast aspersions on Thomas, the man responsible for bringing them to New York.


Instead, approximately eight of the Knicks' 15 players blamed Brown for arguably the worst season in franchise history. The most common complaints were Brown's failure to define roles and his penchant for publicly criticizing his players.


"The Knicks are going to have to make changes because there is no way Larry can walk into the locker room with this same group," one source said then. "He lost a lot of those guys and he's not going to win them back."


Brown could not have been surprised by the feedback Thomas was getting. Two weeks earlier, Brown admitted that several Knicks had long since tuned him out, and said that the season had been reduced to "begging guys to play."


After the exit interviews, Thomas said: "We do have a group that, for everything that I've heard today, like each other, want to stay together and want to play together, and believe that they can get it done."
 
#2
Is a retarted monkey running that team, honestly. The main reason the owner is considering it is because he publically criticized the players. Well he HAD too, cause they weren't playing 100%, this is a real bad move, he's probably the only one who can turn this around in a small amount of time, if they buy out his contract then it'll be 10 years before they are legitimately good again.

Look what he did in Philly, he got them to the NBA Finals, with A.I.

What they really need to do is fire Isiah Thomas, talking about he wants Kenyon Martin with over $50 Million left on his contract, oh yeah and no 1st round draft picks this year or next, and why's that because of Isiah Thomas.
 

SicC

Dying Breed
Staff member
#3
I grow tired of front office monkeys wanting to be coaches, they need to focus on one or the other, obviously Isiah is a cheap bastard and to blame a coach is a cop out, the knick players are to blame for there season no one else. Makes me wonder why i waste money on NBA stuff.

pz
 
#4
i stand corrected...according to Peter Vecesy...it will be Zeke who becomes head coach when they buyout Brown..cant wait for next season they might as well try to sign Anucha :horny:

 

Butt Rubber

More arrogant than SicC
#6
exactly, get rid of the ENTIRE fucking franchise and start from scratch

lets hope Stern rigs the '07 draft and gives us the #1 pick a la Patrick Ewing
 
#9
yak pac fatal said:
knicks should get rid of thomas, brown, marbury, francis, and get some no named people up there
I was thinking the same. Maybe they should trade whole team for couple of people who are born in NYC and who are longtime Knicks fans. Van Gundy come back!
 

FroDawgg

Well-Known Member
#10
i think they should kill everyone on the team, go back in time, and just take the team from the mid-90s into now. sure they never won a championship, but they were always a contender, and the best defensive team year in and year out.

off the top of my head: ewing, oakley, starks, mason, greg anthony, chris childs, charlie ward, my man hubert davis, buck and herb williams, j.r. reid, larry johnson, houston, and can't forget charles smith (i know some of those were late 90s, but oh well). oh, and get van gundy back, too.
 

Butt Rubber

More arrogant than SicC
#11
FroDawgg said:
^^^they traded their lottery pick, i think they still have 2 1st rd picks (or i might be wrong, maybe 2 picks overall)

but they'll have a lottery pick in 2007, right?

Isiah has fucked us over royally
 
#17
FroDawgg said:
i think they should kill everyone on the team, go back in time, and just take the team from the mid-90s into now. sure they never won a championship, but they were always a contender, and the best defensive team year in and year out.

off the top of my head: ewing, oakley, starks, mason, greg anthony, chris childs, charlie ward, my man hubert davis, buck and herb williams, j.r. reid, larry johnson, houston, and can't forget charles smith (i know some of those were late 90s, but oh well). oh, and get van gundy back, too.
dont forget Derek Harper, Glen Rivers, Kimble and Orlando Blackmon :thumb:
 
#19
A source has told ESPN that Larry Brown has told friends there is no question in his mind that he will be fired by the New York Knicks.

The source also said Brown has told friends that no one from the Knicks has spoken directly to him in the last three weeks. Brown had bladder surgery Friday and is recovering at his home in suburban New York.

Brown's agent, Joe Glass, said he did hear from Knicks president Isiah Thomas on Monday and Thomas told him there was no truth to reports that the Knicks wanted to buy out Brown's contract.

"I spoke to Isiah Thomas earlier this afternoon and he categorically denied that there's any substances to what was in the paper," Glass told The Associated Press on Monday.

While no formal buyout talks have begun, it's clear the Knicks have made it known to Brown that they're open to the notion of a settlement on the four years and $40 million remaining on Brown's contract. The New York Post reported Tuesday that the Knicks are hoping the can buy out Brown for $25 million.

Brown signed the deal amid much hoopla last July, taking over what he once called a "dream job" and then leading the Knicks through a nightmarish season.

League insiders told ESPN.com that the Knicks, looking at things from a practical and financial standpoint, feel they'd be best served to cut their losses with Brown rather than undergo the type of large-scale roster overhaul that would be needed to placate him. In other words, why trade Stephon Marbury for less-than-star players whose contracts will carry huge luxury taxes when they can simply buy out Brown and move on with a new coach.

That coach would almost certainly be Thomas, who assembled the roster that Brown found so difficult to coach. Thomas and Marbury have been close throughout their two-plus years together in New York, and there's a school of thought that if anybody is able to get through to Marbury and turn him into a winner -- or at least a better teammate -- it might just be Thomas.

"Based on our record, that's normal for anybody to have that speculation," the Knicks' point guard told the AP of the reports that Brown may be cut loose.

As for the possibility of Thomas becoming coach, Marbury said: "I wouldn't mind, it doesn't matter who coaches. ... I don't care if Larry Brown comes back. I wouldn't mind at all."

Brown perplexed his players and eventually lost their support by constantly switching lineups and rotations, never quite settling on any set combination over the course of the entire 82-game season. His penchant for making thinly veiled criticisms of his players through the media irked his players nearly as much as it bothered the team's corporate owners at Cablevision.

Despite the players' and management's strangely rosy pronouncements on the day after the season ended, all was certainly not well inside the franchise. One of Brown's final moves that left several key people scratching their heads was his use (or non-use) of Steve Francis and Jalen Rose after they were acquired at midseason.

Knicks brass clearly realized something needed to be done. And in a culture where Cablevision typically writes a severance check to make its problems go away, the easiest solution in this case seems to be buying out Brown.

"I'm not going to comment on Larry's feelings through all this, and there really isn't anything else to say," said Glass, who negotiated Brown's $7 million buyout with the Pistons last July after Detroit owner Bill Davidson also came to the realization that he'd be better off with a different coach. The divorce of the Pistons and Brown turned into a bitter breakup, and this one appears to be heading that way, too.

The likely next step in the process would be a meeting between Brown and Knicks owner Jim Dolan, although Brown has reportedly asked for one and was turned down.

And with Glass saying no buyout talks have been discussed as of yet, this breakup could drag on through next week when the Knicks will learn the consequences of another of their mistakes -- trading their No. 1 pick to Chicago for Eddy Curry. The Bulls will learn next Tuesday at the draft lottery, where they'll be among the mathematical favorites, where the pick formerly owned by the Knicks will fall in the draft.
 

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