Blue Jays better than Red Sox in 06

Butt Rubber

More arrogant than SicC
#1
Jays better than Red Sox

Beantowners are full of holes
By BOB ELLIOTT -- Toronto Sun



The Boston Red Sox could be fielding a weaker team next season after trimming its roster this off-season, including centre fielder Johnny Damon. (AP File Photo)
The Blue Jays have four third basemen, all who held down everyday jobs as recently as 2002.

The Boston Red Sox have no shortstops -- at least none they are comfortable starting the season with. Same in centre field, since Johnny Damon went over the hill to the Bronx.

That might be enough to say that the Jays are better than Boston. Yet, opening day is a long way away. We'll bet you a Diet Coke that Boston fields nine men on opening day, including a shortstop and a centre fielder.

For instance, Boston might obtain shortstop Julio Lugo and centre fielder Joey Gathright from the Tampa Bay Devil Rays.

Yet, even with those holes filled, the Jays still look to have fewer holes than the Red Sox as they try to win a wild-card berth.








Boston finished out of the running in the chase for Kevin Millwood, who signed a four-year, $48-million US deal with the Texas Rangers. Millwood was one of the many near misses for Boston. You can expect left fielder Manny Ramirez to begin to complain soon.

The New York Yankees still have the best talent in the AL East, albeit an aging starting staff. They have the players, tradition, grit in Derek Jeter, Mariano Rivera, Gary Sheffield and Jorge Posada.

Boston has a rotation of Curt Schilling, Josh Beckett, David Wells, Matt Clement and Tim Wakefield. The Sox spent part of the off-season trying to deal either Wells or Clement.

The Jays will have a rotation of Roy Halladay, A.J. Burnett, Ted Lilly, Gustavo Chacin and Josh Towers.

Boston is stronger behind the plate with Jason Varitek, in right field with Trot Nixon, in left field with Ramirez and at DH with David Ortiz.

The rest of the lineup shows the Jays are better with Lyle Overbay at first, Aaron Hill at second, Troy Glaus at third, Russ Adams at short and Vernon Wells in centre.

Jays general manager J.P. Ricciardi should be buying lottery tickets. The way he's going he could be like Pedro Guerrero; swing at a ball in the dirt, send the ball off the wall and leg out a triple.

Ricciardi wanted to trade for two hitters. He got them --slugging third baseman Glaus and gap-to-gapper first baseman Overbay.

He wanted to sign two free-agent pitchers. He got them -- a big overpay in right-hander A.J. Burnett and a big overpay in closer B.J. Ryan.

What does Ricciardi do with his glut of bats at third? The Minnesota Twins claim they have no interest. They have signed Tony Batista, the ex-Jay, to a non-guaranteed contract after he spent a year in Japan.

However, they were interested in Shea Hillenbrand when the Jays, the Milwaukee Brewers and the Twins talked about a three-way deal to bring Overbay to Toronto at the winter meetings? Could that happen?

TWO MOVES REMAIN

Coming off an all-star season Hillenbrand is the most attractive of the three third baseman -- Corey Koskie and Eric Hinske -- two of which have to be moved.

Could the Twins, who could not afford Koskie a year ago, suddenly be able to take on his salary now? Not unless the Jays would pay some of his salary ($11 million remaining over the next two seasons, with a $6.5 million club option in 2008) as they did when they shipped Shannon Stewart to the Twins in 2003?

Hinske? Well, do the Intercounty Barrie Baycats have a need?

He has $10.9 million remaining on the final two years of his five-year contract. Five-year contract ... hmmm, did we hear that phrase somewhere else before?

The Pittsburgh Pirates are looking for an upgrade over Freddy Sanchez at third and might be interested in Hinske if the Jays picked up some of the cost.

Ditto for the Cincinnati Reds, who have Edwin Encarnacion, but neither the Pirates nor the Reds can afford any of the three extra third basemen.

Vernon Wells says the Jays have improved, but expresses caution.

"Seeing it on paper and doing it are two different things," Wells said from Arlington, Tex.

"We don't belong with two teams until we show it."

We'll go where Wells won't: The Jays are better than the Red Sox and will win more games in 2006.
 
#2
It would make more sense and i would've agreed more if you say Blue Jays had better offseason then Sox. but i dont know.

Sox only big lost Damon. other then that they are same team as last year.
Jays only gained more. A. Burnett,T.Glaus,L.Overbay,B.Ryan.

But all these new Blue Jays have to prove. they look good on papers but they havent played one game so they have something to prove. teams look good in papers but then they dont do well in field. (03 Mets) last team i remember similar to that.
Sox still have Manny,Ortiz and Schill who played there already so we know what we getting from them. but we dont know what we getting from Jays.
 

Butt Rubber

More arrogant than SicC
#3
~Bachaveli Don~ said:
It would make more sense and i would've agreed more if you say Blue Jays had better offseason then Sox. but i dont know.

Sox only big lost Damon. other then that they are same team as last year.
Jays only gained more. A. Burnett,T.Glaus,L.Overbay,B.Ryan.

But all these new Blue Jays have to prove. they look good on papers but they havent played one game so they have something to prove. teams look good in papers but then they dont do well in field. (03 Mets) last team i remember similar to that.
Sox still have Manny,Ortiz and Schill who played there already so we know what we getting from them. but we dont know what we getting from Jays.
The Sox aren't the same team, they have new guys at 2nd and 3rd base, no more Edgar Renteria, they'll most likely either have a new first basemen or Kevin Youkilis. If they get a new 1B, then their entire infield will be new.

The only thing that remains intact so far is their starting pitchings, although they've been trying to trade Wells and Arroyo and now are offering Clement.
 
#4
red sox rotation sucks, now that i think about it....schilling, i have no faith in...didnt even last year...wells, inconsistent...clement, my fav., i hope he does well, and beckett, its a gamble to say he'll be good cuz of his injuries...


shows how much i've forgotten since the baseball season...chacin...the most underrated starting pitcher in the majors.....wow...what a good pitcher...the blue jays actually look menacing now....could we see 92-93 again?? those were the back to back years, right??
 
#5
They basically only have 3rd basemant who they dont know what they going to get Mike Lowell. Alex Cora wasn't even that much of the deal and still isnt. as long as he plays solid defense im sure Sox would be happy. but now that Damon is gone they do need to do something.
But Jays still are team to prove. Sox are veterans and been there do advantage still to them.
 
#6
^ true, true, about the last sentence...the jays gotta prove themselves...the red sox miss the playoffs, it'll hurt the fans greatly, but not the teams image....they'll know something small just went wrong and that they'll be back next year...

but they need a leadoff hitter...why dont they use some young talent for that??? fish down into the minors and find someone....why is every team trying to trade??? bring someone that's ready, up from the minors....i know the cubs are gonna do that with a pitcher and an OF, angel guzman and felix pie...who's said to be the next vlad..
 
#7
vernon wells is a smart guy

just like he said they have to prove it first, but i do believe theyll be better then the sox unless the sox can pull of some miraculous ramirez trade that totally bolsters up their roster
 
#8
it really silly to overanalyze moves in offseason and foolish to predict who will be better than who blah blah blah...like look at the orioles last year and how people said they were going to be compete with yankees and red sux for AL East then they crumpled in second half...:eek:
 
#11
^ who said that clemens was coming??? if anything, he'll go to the yanks, if he doesnt retire...


and nail polish brings up another good point.....its retarded to predict this shit...its so stupid...i just realized this...you cant predict that this time will win and this team wont....

like i said, the redsox could pull something out their ass for those missing spots, using their minor leaguers....and we dont even know those minor leaguers??? who knows, they could be half way decent, and for the sake of this thread, be better than the jays....

so dont really predict who will win what...
 
#13
i just said that..he could retire...and he may now go to his hometown, seeing as his team made the WS...with a little extra push, they could win it...
 

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