Bin Laden offers truce with Americans

#1
Bin Laden warns of new US attacks

By Yara Bayoumy 4 minutes ago

DUBAI (Reuters) -
Osama bin Laden warned that al Qaeda was preparing new attacks inside the United States, but said the group was open to a conditional truce with Americans, according to an audio tape attributed to him on Thursday.

It was the first purported tape by bin Laden since 2004. Al Jazeera television, which aired the tape, said it was recorded in December.

"The operations are under preparation and you will see them in your houses as soon as they are complete, God willing," said the speaker on the audio tape, who sounded like bin Laden.

In the tape, bin Laden said al Qaeda was willing to "respond" to U.S. public opinion in favor of withdrawing troops from
Iraq. He did not specify conditions for the truce, but indicated that it was linked to U.S. troops quitting Iraq.

"Based on the substance of the polls, which indicate Americans do not want to fight Muslims on Muslim land, nor do they want Muslims to fight them on their land, we do not mind offering a long-term truce based on just conditions that we will stand by," he said.

"There is nothing wrong with this solution except that it deprives the influential people and warlords in America from hundreds of billions of dollars, -- those who supported Bush's election campaign with billions of dollars."

Responding to the truce offer, the White House said that the United States "does not negotiate with terrorists."

Bin Laden also offered a truce to Europe in a tape in April 2004 but not to the United States.

Jazeera declined to give any details about how it had obtained the tape and an editor said there was a reference in the recording that indicated it had been made in December.

RECRUITING GROUND

In the brief segments aired, bin Laden ridiculed U.S.
President George W. Bush for misreading public opinion which he said showed the American people wanted U.S. forces to quit Iraq.

He also said Iraq had become a recruiting ground for militants. Al Qaeda in Iraq, led by close bin Laden ally Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, is one of several insurgent groups fighting U.S. and foreign forces in Iraq. U.S. and Iraqi officials say many of their members are non-Iraqis.

"Your President is misinterpreting public opinion polls which show that the vast majority of you support the withdrawal of your forces from Iraq," bin Laden said.

"He (Bush) disagreed with this desire and said the withdrawal of troops will give the wrong message to the enemy and that it is better to fight them on their ground than on our ground."

"Reality shows that the war against the U.S. and its allies is not just restricted to Iraq as he claims, but Iraq has become a gravitational point and a recruiting ground for qualified (mujahideen)," he added.

A U.S. counterterrorism official said U.S. intelligence was assessing the tape to determine its authenticity.

Analyst Mustafa Alani said bin Laden's message was part of his psychological warfare against Washington.

"I don't believe they have the capacity now to carry out a major operation, especially in the United States... The value is not what he is saying, the value is that he is still alive."

Bin Laden's last audio tape was in December 2004. The interval between then and now is his longest public silence since al Qaeda's September 11 attacks on the United States in 2001.

Saudi-born Bin Laden and his right-hand man, Ayman al-Zawahri, are believed to be hiding in a mountainous area on the border between Pakistan and
Afghanistan.

On Thursday, Pakistani intelligence sources said four top al Qaeda militants were believed to be killed in a U.S. air strike last week which U.S. officials say was aimed at Zawahri.

"The timing of its airing is interesting, to say the least," the U.S. counterterrorism official said.

"It could be an effort to demonstrate that bin Laden is still out there and still a force to be reckoned with. It may have been aired now to provide some reassurance to the jihadist community after last Friday's airstrike in Pakistan."

Daniel Benjamin, a U.S. terrorism expert, said bin Laden had offered truces before.

"I would interpret this as bin Laden saying, one way in which you can bow your knee to us, either before or after these attacks, is with some kind of truce," he said.

(Additional reporting by David Morgan and Caroline Drees in Washington and Mark Trevelyan in Berlin)

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20060119/ts_nm/security_qaeda_dc

My question is, can he really offer and guarantee this truce? A lot of these extremists follow him and are loyal to him, but there are a certain amount of them who would never agree to a truce. I guess it doesn't matter anyway, it's not like the US is gonna agree to this anytime soon.
 
#2
Bin Laden is offering an ultimatum, not a truce. If the West stops attacking Muslim countries and lets the backwards Wahhabi type Muslim militants create a worldwide theocracy, then there won't be attacks on Western targets.

What a fine offer.
 

The.Menace

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#4
intersting.

Anyway, I think it's wrong 2 say the White House said that the United States "does not negotiate with terrorists." - I can get the point but if we don't talk, then that means war til the end. War til the end is something terrible, because you can't get hold of every suicidebomber on this earth, how could u. This is a war that you can not win, too bad GW doesn't see it this way.
 
#5
Bush never sees things any way but the way he's told to see things. See Bush gets all the blame for this but i guarantee you that Cheney is running the show up at the white house, Bush is just his puppet
 

The.Menace

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#6
Maybe, but who ever things you can fight a war on terror with planes and bombs is jsut wrong, short term maybe, but bombs won't bring us a long term solution.
 
#7
The.Menace said:
intersting.

Anyway, I think it's wrong 2 say the White House said that the United States "does not negotiate with terrorists." - I can get the point but if we don't talk, then that means war til the end. War til the end is something terrible, because you can't get hold of every suicidebomber on this earth, how could u. This is a war that you can not win, too bad GW doesn't see it this way.
Suicide bombers?There's no need, every militant in Iraq has a basement full of weapons, rocket launchers, etc.
Bin Laden hit the nail with that audio tape.It shows us that it's not just Iraqis fighting coalition forces, they are Muslims from all over the Arab World.You can kill them all, but a more powerful, experienced and educated generation will emerge.
If they listen to Bin Laden and accepted his truce, he will leave America alone, same way he did with Spain.He just wants all the foreigners out of Muslim land.Is that too much to ask?
 
#8
Terrorism is not the way to achieve those goals however. In some ways i have always been able to see bin laden's point, but no matter what, what he is doing is still wrong. there is no just reason for terrorism. EVER.
 
#10
You got it twisted, buddy.It's your right to defend your land and die for it.It might go under terrorism in your dictionary, but it sure as hell isn't in mine.
You would never fully understand till someone takes over your country.You might accept it and move on with your lives, but Arabs and Muslims dont.I got no problem assuring you that the militants will never stop their attacks if there was one foreign soldier left.
 
#11
so having an american on "muslim" land is some kind of sin? Last i checked, except for Iraq, America never "took over" any muslim land. they had bases there, but thats hardly taking it over. If all the christians in america told all the foreigners who lived there that they had to leave or die, the rest of the world would go nuts and call america everything in the book. so why is it ok for muslims to do this? and i use the term muslim lightly here, these extremists only use their religion as a excuse to kill people they aren't real muslims. Crashing planes into buildings is only gonna make things worse. there is wrong on both sides, neither side is right in this, and until they figure that out this will just keep going and going.

Or here's an even better point. would it be ok if all the indians left in north america started killing people in the us and canada? we stole their land from them, so they have the right to kill us all, right?:rolleyes:
 
#12
Fuck Bin Laden, for as much money as he has, and as powerful as he may seem, i doubt he has anything on the U.S. Yes he has suicide bombers all over the place, he has troops accross the world, he has money bla bla bla...but in truth the U.S. is certain to have more of everything he claims to have. If it all came down to a full scale war against an invisible enemy i'm pretty sure we would still win, although the loss would be great, we would still come out victorious... did Israel back down, hell no, should we? ummm, no...
 
#13
Devious187 said:
so having an american on "muslim" land is some kind of sin? Last i checked, except for Iraq, America never "took over" any muslim land. they had bases there, but thats hardly taking it over. If all the christians in america told all the foreigners who lived there that they had to leave or die, the rest of the world would go nuts and call america everything in the book. so why is it ok for muslims to do this? and i use the term muslim lightly here, these extremists only use their religion as a excuse to kill people they aren't real muslims. Crashing planes into buildings is only gonna make things worse. there is wrong on both sides, neither side is right in this, and until they figure that out this will just keep going and going.
You're missing the point.I said Arab and Muslim land.It's not about Muslims or Christians, it's the same thing to me really.If you think that Iraqis are only killing Americans because they're Christians, then you're wrong.What do you have to say about the National Guard, who loses tens of its members (almost all of them are Muslim) to Iraqis militants every day?
You might not know this, but Muslims and Christians living on Arab Land have always leaved peacefully alongside each other, except for a few cases here and there.
It's all over land, man.Some people do it for religious reasons, others cause of their beliefs.
If I ever came across an American citizen in my country, I'd take him in and provide him with everything he needs.It should feel just like home.But if anyone, be it American, British, whatever, invaded my land, then I got no choice but to fight to death.
 
#14
Devious187 said:
Or here's an even better point. would it be ok if all the indians left in north america started killing people in the us and canada? we stole their land from them, so they have the right to kill us all, right?:rolleyes:
Why do you insist on going off-topic and talk about something irrelevant?The Indians in North America have made their choice and gave in, they can't retract it now.
 
#16
jimmyk88 said:
You're missing the point.I said Arab and Muslim land.It's not about Muslims or Christians, it's the same thing to me really.If you think that Iraqis are only killing Americans because they're Christians, then you're wrong.What do you have to say about the National Guard, who loses tens of its members (almost all of them are Muslim) to Iraqis militants every day?
You might not know this, but Muslims and Christians living on Arab Land have always leaved peacefully alongside each other, except for a few cases here and there.
It's all over land, man.Some people do it for religious reasons, others cause of their beliefs.
If I ever came across an American citizen in my country, I'd take him in and provide him with everything he needs.It should feel just like home.But if anyone, be it American, British, whatever, invaded my land, then I got no choice but to fight to death.
how does Bin Laden take Afghanistan and Iraq to be "his land" i mean i think it would be like me getting pissed if some1 took over Mexico, and/or Canada...prolly the only reason i would get mad (as a president) would be because maybe trade would change and relations would be diff. then they were b4...and if that's the case, then screw that, Bin Laden all he wanted Afghanistan and Iraq where to supply his terrorist network, so i believe we are doing well in invading and freeing the people from what he was doing... and yes most of the people in those countries have nothing against us taking over for a while and freeing them, they are actually happy :) , the people who attack U.S. soldiers and shit are the terrorist groups and the retards that have been doing that since day one so that's nothing new...
 
#17
yurdady1 said:
how does Bin Laden take Afghanistan and Iraq to be "his land" i mean i think it would be like me getting pissed if some1 took over Mexico, and/or Canada...prolly the only reason i would get mad (as a president) would be because maybe trade would change and relations would be diff. then they were b4...and if that's the case, then screw that, Bin Laden all he wanted Afghanistan and Iraq where to supply his terrorist network, so i believe we are doing well in invading and freeing the people from what he was doing... and yes most of the people in those countries have nothing against us taking over for a while and freeing them, they are actually happy :) , the people who attack U.S. soldiers and shit are the terrorist groups and the retards that have been doing that since day one so that's nothing new...
lol, ok.
 
#18
jimmyk88 said:
You're missing the point.I said Arab and Muslim land.It's not about Muslims or Christians, it's the same thing to me really.If you think that Iraqis are only killing Americans because they're Christians, then you're wrong.What do you have to say about the National Guard, who loses tens of its members (almost all of them are Muslim) to Iraqis militants every day?
You might not know this, but Muslims and Christians living on Arab Land have always leaved peacefully alongside each other, except for a few cases here and there.
It's all over land, man.Some people do it for religious reasons, others cause of their beliefs.
If I ever came across an American citizen in my country, I'd take him in and provide him with everything he needs.It should feel just like home.But if anyone, be it American, British, whatever, invaded my land, then I got no choice but to fight to death.
here's my main question tho: how would crashing planes into buildings make things better? I understand what you're saying but Bin Laden's problem, and he's been saying this since the beginning, is non muslims on muslim land. not americans invading or taking it over, just being there. He would have to know that doing what he did would only cause the US to bring the planes and bombs and soldiers to his land, it only made things much worse
 

Jokerman

Well-Known Member
#19
Devious187 said:
"The operations are under preparation and you will see them in your houses as soon as they are complete, God willing,"
A new TV mini-series, like 24! God willing! I hope it stars that hot niece of bin Laden's.
 

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