best pitcher of all time?

[Butt Rubber]

Roger Clemens:
Career ERA: 3.17
Record: 329 W 164 L
Strikeouts: 4335
Strikeouts (per season): 238.7
Cy Young Awards: 7
Playoff Record & ERA: 10-7, 3.54

Pedro Martinez:
Career ERA: 2.71
Record: 183 W 76 L
Strikeouts: 2674
Strikeouts (per season): 254
Cy Young Awards: 3
Playoff Record & ERA: 6-2, 3.40


Randy Johnson:
Career ERA: 3.07
Record: 246 W 128 L
Strikeouts: 4180
Strikeouts (per season): 292
Cy Young Awards: 5
Playoff Record & ERA: 7-8, 3.08

Walter Johnson:
Career ERA: 2.17
Record: 417-279
Strikeouts: 3509
Strikeouts (per season): 162
Playoff Record & ERA: 3-3, 2.16

Cy Young:
Career ERA: 2.63
Record: 511-316
Strikeouts: 2803
Strikeouts (per season): 110
Playoff Record & ERA: not reliably documented

Sandy Koufax
Career ERA: 2.76
Record: 165 W 87 L
Strikeouts: 2396
Strikeouts (per season): 229
Cy Young Awards: 3
Playoff Record & ERA: 4-3, 0.95


Pete Alexander
Career ERA: 2.56
Record: 343 W 208 L
Strikeouts: 2198
Strikeouts (per season): 115
Playoff Record & ERA: 3-2, 3.56


Christy Mathewson
Career ERA: 2.13
Record: 373 W 188 L
Strikeouts: 2502
Strikeouts (per season): 143
Playoff Record & ERA: 5-5, 0.97

Greg Maddox
Career ERA: 2.95
Record: 305 W 174 L
Strikeouts: 2916
Strikeouts (per season): 163
Cy Young Awards: 4
Playoff Record & ERA: 11-14, 3.22

Warren Spahn
Career ERA: 3.09
Record: 363 W 245 L
Strikeouts: 2583
Strikeouts (per season): 124
Cy Young Awards: 1
Playoff Record & ERA: 4-3, 3.05


Honorable Mentions: Nolan Ryan, Satchell Paige, Bob Feller, Tom Seaver, Bob Gibson, Lefty Grove, Curt Schilling, Miner Brown, Steve Carlton, Tommy John, Rube Foster, Tom Glavine, Whitey Ford, Mariano Rivera etc.


I gotta go with Big Train (Walter) on this one, considering he was on a horrible team, and 27 of his losses were 1-0, and the fact that he scared the shit out of everyone with his fastball puts him on the top of the food chain, and his adjusted ERA helps even more.

 

[nail_polish]

my pick :thumb:

 

[Butt Rubber]

my pick :thumb:

wow, i didnt know Diaz got his picture taken with Roger clemens before

 

[Tito]

Bob Gibson. He was so dominate that they changed the rules for him.

 

[Diaz]

Fuck BankRobber...

And Fuck Americas Past Time :thumb:

 

[ShockA]

Nolan Ryan!

 

[AmerikazMost]

It's Pedro Martinez.

No starting picture has a lower ERA in this offensive-minded era.
He has the highest winning percentage since 1950, and he's 3rd all-time.
Lowest WHIP in almost 90 years, 3rd all-time (WHIP = Walks + Hits / Innings Pitched, meaning he doesn't let people get on base)
3rd in Hits allowed divided by IP all-time
3rd in Strikeouts per 9 IP, only behind the Unit and Kerry Wood
Youngest pitcher in the top 20 strikeouts list of all-time
2nd strikeout to walk ratio, behing only Tommy Bond, who retired in 1884
Best adjusted ERA EVER (19 points better than the next man, Lefty Grove)(Adjusted ERA only includes pitchers with a minimum of 1000 IP, 3000 PA, and 100 decisions)

 

[Butt Rubber]

It's Pedro Martinez.

No starting picture has a lower ERA in this offensive-minded era.
He has the highest winning percentage since 1950, and he's 3rd all-time.
Lowest WHIP in almost 90 years, 3rd all-time (WHIP = Walks + Hits / Innings Pitched, meaning he doesn't let people get on base)
3rd in Hits allowed divided by IP all-time
3rd in Strikeouts per 9 IP, only behind the Unit and Kerry Wood
Youngest pitcher in the top 20 strikeouts list of all-time
2nd strikeout to walk ratio, behing only Tommy Bond, who retired in 1884
Best adjusted ERA EVER (19 points better than the next man, Lefty Grove)(Adjusted ERA only includes pitchers with a minimum of 1000 IP, 3000 PA, and 100 decisions)

the only real arguement that can be made against pedro is how he's been inconsistant when it comes to going deep into games.

Pedro at his best, had some mind-boggling stats, but he lost his ability to finish games. In recent years, Pedro has had a good share of no decisions. The reason for that is that he comes out far too often in the middle innings, long before close games are decided. Pedro all too often has left the fate of games in the hands of the bullpen.

 

[haunted]

Randy Johnson

 

[HitEmUpOutDaParK]

Walter Johnson for Bank Robber's reasons and across the board, he's in the top part of each category. Most of these guys either have a lot of wins and few strikeouts or vice versa. Walter Johnson was the happy medium, able to balance both out. Bob Gibson would be my second choice. Nolan Ryan third.

I think Pete Alexander can be eliminated from this list. He's very average among these greats, definately not in the running for G.O.A.T.

 

[THA WILD]

Cy Young. Why do you think they had a pitching award named after him?

 

[imported_MAKaveli_10]

Where the hell is nolan ryan in the poll. He is the best pitcher easily. He has the most stikeouts. all of those no hitters. 20 strikeout games. He was so dominant.

 

[Butt Rubber]

Where the hell is nolan ryan in the poll. He is the best pitcher easily. He has the most stikeouts. all of those no hitters. 20 strikeout games. He was so dominant.

nolan ryan's career extended 10 years after his peak, thats how he got all those catagories.

I mean he was still a good player at 45 years old, but he could've/should've been done before he went to the AL

and Nolan never had a 20 strikeout game, that was Clemens (and then Kerry Wood and Randy Johnson)

Cy Young. Why do you think they had a pitching award named after him?

pre-1900 baseball is hard to judge, the game was so different then and there were so many leauges that all the talent as divided.

he still did a good job in the early 1900s though when the NL and AL merged together.

 

[Hankaveli]

I have to pick Greg Madux, he won 15+ games like what 10 years in a row? he was clutch in the playoffs won more Cy Youngs then anyone and never had a off year that I rember.

 

[Tito]

No love for Gibson? Major League Baseball actually changed the rules of the game because of him. They raised the mound after the 1968 season in which he posted a 1.12 ERA. He also posted a .600 winning percentage for his career. I would think he and Wilt Chamberlain (who caused the NBA to widen the paint) are the only two players in any sport to have a rule changed because they were so dominating under the old rule.

 

[imported_Makaveli_7]

may i ask why nolan ryan isnt on this list?

 

[imported_MAKaveli_10]

How old was Sandy Koufax when he retired?

 

[Get In The Van I Have Candy]

I also have to go with Gregg Maddux. He was never a flashy pitcher but he had incredible control on his pitches.

 

[2pacdalegend247]

Sandy Koufax... He only ptiched 10 years and retired when he was 30 with sick numbers... Check his postseason stats...

 

[AmerikazMost]

the only real arguement that can be made against pedro is how he's been inconsistant when it comes to going deep into games.

Pedro at his best, had some mind-boggling stats, but he lost his ability to finish games. In recent years, Pedro has had a good share of no decisions. The reason for that is that he comes out far too often in the middle innings, long before close games are decided. Pedro all too often has left the fate of games in the hands of the bullpen.

we finally agree on something in baseball :thumb: