10% of Europeans are immune to HIV

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Glockmatic

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Saw an interview on TV with a biologist saying that 10% of Europeans are immune to HiV, heres an article

Biologists discover why 10% of Europeans are safe from HIV

Biologists at the University of Liverpool have discovered how the plagues of the Middle Ages have made around 10% of Europeans resistant to HIV. Scientists have known for some time that these individuals carry a genetic mutation (known as CCR5-delta32) that prevents the virus from entering the cells of the immune system but have been unable to account for the high levels of the gene in Scandinavia and relatively low levels in areas bordering the Mediterranean.

They have also been puzzled by the fact that HIV emerged only recently and could not have played a role in raising the frequency of the mutation to the high levels found in some Europeans today.

Professor Christopher Duncan and Dr Susan Scott from the University's School of Biological Sciences, whose research is published in the March edition of Journal of Medical Genetics, attribute the frequency of the CCR5-delta32 mutation to its protection from another deadly viral disease, acting over a sustained period in bygone historic times.

Some scientists have suggested this disease could have been smallpox or even bubonic plague but bubonic plague is a bacterial disease rather than a virus and is not blocked by the CCR5-delta32 mutation.

Professor Duncan commented: "The fact that the CCR5-delta32 mutation is restricted to Europe suggests that the plagues of the Middle Ages played a big part in raising the frequency of the mutation. These plagues were also confined to Europe, persisted for more than 300 years and had a 100% case mortality."

Around 1900, historians spread the idea that the plagues of Europe were not a directly infectious disease but were outbreaks of bubonic plague, overturning an accepted belief that had stood for 550 years. Professor Duncan and Dr Scott illustrated in their book, Return of the Black Death (2004, Wiley), that this idea was incorrect and the plagues of Europe (1347-1660) were in fact a continuing series of epidemics of a lethal, viral, haemorrhagic fever that used the CCR5 as an entry port into the immune system. Using computer modeling, they demonstrated how this disease provided the selection pressure that forced up the frequency of the mutation from 1 in 20,000 at the time of the Black Death to values today of 1 in 10.

Lethal, viral haemorrhagic fevers were recorded in the Nile valley from 1500 BC and were followed by the plagues of Mesopotamia (700-450BC), the plague of Athens (430BC), the plague of Justinian (AD541-700) and the plagues of the early Islamic empire (AD627-744). These continuing epidemics slowly raised the frequency from the original single mutation to about 1 in 20,000 in the 14th century simply by conferring protection from an otherwise certain death.

Professor Duncan added: "Haemorrhagic plague did not disappear after the Great Plague of London in 1665-66 but continued in Sweden, Copenhagen, Russia, Poland and Hungary until 1800. This maintenance of haemorrhagic plague provided continuing selection pressure on the CCR5-delta32 mutation and explains why it occurs today at its highest frequency in Scandinavia and Russia."
 

Glockmatic

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Illuminattile said:
The odds still aren't good. Any way they can use this information to build up a vaccine or something?
the biologist said that there probably won't be a vaccine made with this discovery (since you'd need to bring back the plague to do it), but they may be able to provide gene therapy in the future to allow people to be immune to it.
 
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thats a mutation that they cant make a vaccine from. they are trying to use the proteins in saliva to make one since saliva inhibits the virus and renders it useless. also some people are "non progressors" who get hiv but never get aids and they are trying to determine why.
 

Mase

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Did anyone watch that documentary on the group of African hookers on the border of a small town that were immune to HIV?
 

Glockmatic

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Mase said:
Did anyone watch that documentary on the group of African hookers on the border of a small town that were immune to HIV?
I've heard about it, they did tests on them as well to see why they're immune, haven't heard much about them lately though
 
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If people were immune to HIV then Scientists would have a cure. By Injecting the immune with HIV, wait for the immune system to fight it. White blood cells then replicate and 'memorize' a virus so it can deal with it again more easily (that's why you never get the smae cold twice). Take a sample of the blood, here is your Antidote, remedy, cure.

Something tells me those immune aren't really immune, or we would be treating those today with HIV.
 

The.Menace

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Yeshua said:
If people were immune to HIV then Scientists would have a cure. By Injecting the immune with HIV, wait for the immune system to fight it. White blood cells then replicate and 'memorize' a virus so it can deal with it again more easily (that's why you never get the smae cold twice). Take a sample of the blood, here is your Antidote, remedy, cure.
Why don't you just shut up if you don't know what you talk about?
 
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